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New Year, Old Bike, New Bobber-

71K views 201 replies 31 participants last post by  brett7777  
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-Some Background-

I should introduce myself - I have been a member on this forum since last summer when I purchased a 1986 Rebel 250 as a project. I have been a lurker since then, being on here about every day to keep up on various member projects and absorbing as much information as I can.

This is my bike-
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I bought it from a guy who had already started bobbing it- he had removed the air box, cut the stock rear fender, had a set of bullet signal lights, etc. He ran out of time and I was able to pick it up pretty cheap with a clean title. It had sat for almost a year when I came along so I continue to fight carb issues with it, but it does run.
I had some time off around Christmas & New Year's so I was finally able to spend some time on the bike. I work in a small company's engineering dept. so I have access to the prototype shop which is a huge help.

-The Build-
I wanted to hardtail it, but I wanted to do a bolt-on in order to leave the main frame as "stock" as possible for someone in the future to return it to a standard suspension if they want. After some research I decided to purchase a Honda VLX 600 swing arm since the tire dimensions and mounting system are similar.
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I figured that I could use it with a minimum of modification and make it work as a bolt on... not the case. For the record it flairs to the RH side only, but I didn't really catch on until after I had spent a bit of time cutting and rewelding trying to get it to the same width between the swing arm pivot as the stock arms. Here is a picture of the VLX swing arms in transit-
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Once I realized that it wouldn't work (disappointing is an understatement), I needed to figure out a way to make a tubing bender (cheap) but one that wouldn't crimp the DOM tube I now needed to buy.

I dug around and found some scrap metal from a prototype part we had built last year and it was just enough to turn down into a 3" radius main die for the Rebel's approx. 1.0" DOM tube. The bender I ended up with is not fancy, and the 1.0" x .120" wall DOM tube is easy enough to bend that I can mount the bender in a vise on one of the weld tables at work, which simplified things a lot.
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Another view, this one from the front, showing the tube retainer strap.
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I bent the lower frame tubes first. Here is the RH side clamped to the stock swing arm showing how it will hopefully look.
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I want to extend the rear-end about 4" but keep the standard ride height, so the jig is set up for that. I initially wanted to totally create my own axle mounts and everything, but realized that I would need a much more accurate jig assembly to do that. To be honest I don't have time or focus to do that, so I am going with the new swing arm based off of the stock one. The plan is to use the stock pivot end and the axle mount ends and remove the rest once all the tubing is complete. More to come. :D
 
#183 ·
All points are valid..but when anyone can sue McDonald's for getting fat off of their food or burning themselves by crushing styrofoam cups of hot coffee between their legs, I too would be hesitant to offer anything in this litigious society. All the planning in the world won't stop it from happening.

Pity we can't adopt Britain's civil lawsuit methods...where you'd better be damned sure you can win because if you don't you are responsible for the other party's court costs, time off from work, etc etc etc. I mean I know we struggled to free ourselves from British rule but they still have a few concepts that actually work.
 
#184 ·
brett7777
#182

You appear to have missed the operative word seeming. I learned years ago not to profess to know how to run somebody else's business. Additionally you appear to be posting from a place which probably has tort laws considerably different from the US (one of the arguments if you want to get in a debate whether the US would have been better of to stick with The Crown). Things can get rather strange sometimes in "the land of the free and the home of the brave." And no lets not debate it. :whistling:
 
#187 ·
Finale-

Well folks its been a good run but I've put the bike on CL here locally. We are trying to move and it is one more thing in the way.

I got a "not interested" from the group I offered the hard-tail to. They are too busy working on HD hard-tails and do not see the market for Rebels. If enough people from here contact them it might change their minds. Contact them at TCBroschoppers.com.

I might pick up another bike at some point, but probably not right away. Thanks everyone for suggestions and help along the way with the project and for the continued interest.
 
#188 · (Edited)
I got a "not interested" from the group I offered the hard-tail to. They are too busy working on HD hard-tails and do not see the market for Rebels. If enough people from here contact them it might change their minds. Contact them at TCBroschoppers.com.
Is this the group that was going to offer the bolt on hardtail frame kit?

If so I can certainly understand their hesitance in offering something to the market. Seriously, take a look at this very board and you'll see why: Scores of "custom" Rebels sporting Emgo Shorties (if any muffler at all) versus other nicer/better performing/more expensive mufflers. Long story made short, the typical (typical, mind you...not "every") Rebel owner is a frugal one, and any part boasting three figures in the price tag is far too much to consider.

It's why AME/Seeger Cycle stopped offering the Rebel chopper kits. $1500 for a custom part that was made to spec for a bike that, when new, was $3000. End result? They only moved one for their catalog display bike and sat on the rest for years. Kurt (Seeger) told me they couldn't even sell them for what they cost to produce, they really took a bath with those kits.
 
#190 ·
Suffice it to say I've put over seven times my purchase price into customizing. Granted I only paid $200 for the bike...
 
#193 ·
Yes, it would look like an actual rigid frame bike without sacrificing the integrity of the OEM swingarm (as is the case of swapping out the shocks for solid struts).
 
#202 · (Edited)
Old thread and he sold the bike a while ago so I dont think he will be.
This has been brought up before, and as an answer I have referred people to Seth at Road 6 Customs Online Store who if someone will bring him their Rebel, would be willing to develop a bolt on hardtail.
I just dont think anyone has done it yet.
As you can see on the site, Seth's weld on sportster hardtails are $275, so Im sure he could develop a reasonable priced bolt on or weld on hardtail for Rebel owners.
I deal with his company regularly, and I spoke to him about it a few years ago, at which time he was keen. Could be worth looking into.