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New Year, Old Bike, New Bobber-

71K views 201 replies 31 participants last post by  brett7777  
#1 ·
-Some Background-

I should introduce myself - I have been a member on this forum since last summer when I purchased a 1986 Rebel 250 as a project. I have been a lurker since then, being on here about every day to keep up on various member projects and absorbing as much information as I can.

This is my bike-
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I bought it from a guy who had already started bobbing it- he had removed the air box, cut the stock rear fender, had a set of bullet signal lights, etc. He ran out of time and I was able to pick it up pretty cheap with a clean title. It had sat for almost a year when I came along so I continue to fight carb issues with it, but it does run.
I had some time off around Christmas & New Year's so I was finally able to spend some time on the bike. I work in a small company's engineering dept. so I have access to the prototype shop which is a huge help.

-The Build-
I wanted to hardtail it, but I wanted to do a bolt-on in order to leave the main frame as "stock" as possible for someone in the future to return it to a standard suspension if they want. After some research I decided to purchase a Honda VLX 600 swing arm since the tire dimensions and mounting system are similar.
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I figured that I could use it with a minimum of modification and make it work as a bolt on... not the case. For the record it flairs to the RH side only, but I didn't really catch on until after I had spent a bit of time cutting and rewelding trying to get it to the same width between the swing arm pivot as the stock arms. Here is a picture of the VLX swing arms in transit-
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Once I realized that it wouldn't work (disappointing is an understatement), I needed to figure out a way to make a tubing bender (cheap) but one that wouldn't crimp the DOM tube I now needed to buy.

I dug around and found some scrap metal from a prototype part we had built last year and it was just enough to turn down into a 3" radius main die for the Rebel's approx. 1.0" DOM tube. The bender I ended up with is not fancy, and the 1.0" x .120" wall DOM tube is easy enough to bend that I can mount the bender in a vise on one of the weld tables at work, which simplified things a lot.
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Another view, this one from the front, showing the tube retainer strap.
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I bent the lower frame tubes first. Here is the RH side clamped to the stock swing arm showing how it will hopefully look.
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I want to extend the rear-end about 4" but keep the standard ride height, so the jig is set up for that. I initially wanted to totally create my own axle mounts and everything, but realized that I would need a much more accurate jig assembly to do that. To be honest I don't have time or focus to do that, so I am going with the new swing arm based off of the stock one. The plan is to use the stock pivot end and the axle mount ends and remove the rest once all the tubing is complete. More to come. :D
 
#114 ·
Looking good! That's exactly why you do a mock assembly before any of the final touches like paint are done. Keep the progress photos coming I enjoy seeing them.
 
#117 ·
I'd like to see what you come up with on a 6g load rating, something more akin to riding at speed and hitting a 2" deep pot hole. Looks impressive though so far. Too bad you don't have a prototype to do an actual stress test on.
 
#118 ·
Cagie, where did 6g's come from? I haven't been able to find any published data on loadings/accelerations due to your average pothole or speed bump. Just curious. I need to get the actual wheel loading from the bike to use on this stuff going forward.
 
#122 ·
Yeah well best intentions won't keep the potholes from just appearing under the bike when you are cruzin 60...
 
#123 ·
Does anyone know where a rebel 250 carb bowl drain screw can be purchased? The one on my bike must have sat for a while without being drained because the sealing end of it is pitted with corrosion and leaks badly.:frown:

Also, is it possible to rebuild an '85-'87 rebel 250 fuel petcock, mine leaks in the reserve position. I have seen them for sale on eBay, but they cost a decent penny...
 
#124 ·
-Progress-

Finally went for the inaugural ride today with with all the bobber changes. It was awesome. Just about finished with everything at this point. The bike is still not tagged or insured so I just rode around the parking lot at work, but it was still sweet. I had to rebuild the carb since it sat for so long since I have owned it, also had to rejet due to new pipes & pod filter. Now I just need a front tire and inspection to be good to go.
 
#128 ·
So, I was thinking after seeing your work...

Need any new best friends?? Ha!

I'm really wanting to turn my new (to me) bike into a bobber.. My biggest problem is - yeah I have non of the fabricating skills you possess nor the know how!! Looks really good so far! Cant wait to see the finished product!
Thanks, BadgerX & BRFamous. I appreciate the interest.

BRF, as far as fabrication skills go, there are a lot of small shops that don't charge much to build quality parts, often all it takes is asking to get someone interested in helping. There are a LOT of people with tons of experience on here that are extremely helpful and happy to share their knowledge. You came to the right forum.
 
#132 ·
-Progress-

Here it is currently-
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I am still not sure how best to attach my rear fender (went with the modified stock fender) to the bike. I think I want to use the stock rear light as well, mounted on top of the fender and I will most likely run bullet lights on either side as turn signals. The idea I like is to use the axle to retain the ends of the fender mounts like the picture below.
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Anyone have any suggestions? Since the axle is adjustable the front mount would need to be somewhat adjustable too.
 
#133 ·
It looks like you have plenty of room on the adjuster plate to drill a hole and attach it there so you don't have to worry about it being adjustable.
 
#134 ·
looks really good, Bb2ner can give you advice on that rear fender setup.
I dont like the stock taillight, & the seat springs look too high, imo.
It's a great job tho, the things Im mentioning are only small things
 
#139 ·
If you use a longer fender you could use the struts in the rear and a slotted L bracket attatched to the lower center brace.
A side mounted tag/brakelight and the bobbed trailer fender would look perfect on the awesome swingarm.
Please PM me if you ever want to make another one like that. I'd be all over it.Thanks
 
#140 ·
Overall the bike looks great, with one exception.
I would kill the stock tail light idea.
I looks out of place, too tall, and too modern looking for the style you have going on.
I would go with a light that follows the lines of the fender more smoothly.
Right now, it has that periscope look. For me, it draws my attention away from the rest of the bike.
You ask, I tell.
 
#144 ·
Okay, general consensus is scratch the stock tail light. Would it look any better with a short sissy bar hoop over it? I would like to use as much stock parts as I can off of the bike.

I might have to take a look at some other things. Thanks for the input, everyone.
 
#146 ·
What exhaust did you use?? Love those pipes.

Great looking bike so far - gives me a bit of inspiration for mounting my seat a bit differently.
Thanks, BRF. The pipes are a mix of two sets of the stock pipes w/o the mufflers, and some plain aluminized exhaust tube. I had two sets of pipes that came with the bike, one set was pretty rough with the internal pipes separated from the outer chrome, so I chopped those up to the the bullnose turns at the end of the pipes.

I used about 12" of standard 1.5" exhaust pipe to replace the muffler on each side, then added the chrome bullnose to the ends. There is an internal baffle with the stock inner exhaust pipe inside each bullnose for a stock detail and a little back pressure. I ended up using standard automotive exhaust isolators for hangers, with tabs welded to both pipes.

The pipes are really not much louder then stock, maybe just a bit more throat at low RPMs.
 
#147 ·
Well, they look great! I want something similar for mine/but plan to keep the stock pipes myself and replace the mufflers similarly to what you have done. I wouldn't mind for mine to be a bit louder/have a bit more throat - but honestly it's more the looks of the stock mufflers that I just am not fond of. Exhaust will most likely be the last thing I tackle on my build - unless I run across and easy solution with cheap cost!! ha!
 
#148 ·
Hey youngpup, a sparto taillight would look good on there...