Awesome, last of the Rebels!
(Not everyone here counts the new models wink wink nudge nudge)
(Not everyone here counts the new models wink wink nudge nudge)
New Rebel Rider
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No, as I've explained before in other threads relating the issue, the CMX250 engine hailed from the predecessor CM250 which hailed from the CM185 & 200 TwinStar. It was the exact same design evolving with each incarnation (and technically the engine remained the same when it went from CM250 to CMX250, rather the styling evolved away from the disco-cruiser era instead).
They didn't. The CB250 Nighthawk debuted in 1991, several years after the Gen-1 Rebel was nixed. The predecessor nameless CB250 motors were considerably different in design. This could be a parallel issue, however it's not uncommon to resurrect a motor in another line, the single year production 1988 Shadow's engine resurfaced in the 1989-98 PC-800. The major difference being the Rebel eventually returned to the line-up while the 800 Shadow did not.
None of which, by the way, happened with the 300 & 500 models.
Because instead of evolving the design they took an engine from a completely different line with a completely different design (CB) and called it something it wasn't (CM). Like I said, they took a Camaro and called it a Chevette. Had they just called it something else, anything else other than what it ISN'T, and there would be no issue. For those that fail to see this logic I can pose a parallel question: why didn't they call it a Magna?
Actually that would have made some sense, after all the Magna was always a street/cruiser that derived from a sport bike.
Okay, the actual parallel questions behind the logic: Why didn't they call it a Shadow? Why didn't they call it a Hawk or Super Hawk? Why didn't they call it a Cub? Why didn't they call it a Dream? Why didn't they call it an Ascot? Why didn't they call it a Gold Wing?
I could go on all day but if I have to explain it any further...(you all know how that old Harley saw goes, right?
)Please show me where I or anyone else bashed the updated model.
If anything I was bashing the Honda Motor Company.
New blood was never a problem in the three decades that the 250 was available or the two decades that Rebel forums were on the web.
As mentioned the web owners opened a separate board.
Which actually makes sense if you think about it: since the 300 & 500 have absolutely NOTHING shared with the 250 (or 450) people here have nothing to offer on the matter. I'm not sure why some folks can't see just how different this "same thing" really is.
I've shared that very sentiment numerous times.
With several caveats, but I have repeatedly expressed the interest nonetheless.
Are you willing to perform a science experiment to back that up?
Start a new thread here and ask what the correct ignition timing is for the 500 Rebel. Also ask what the correct torque values are for the steering stem, both axles, and both sprockets. Ask what the max safe load rating is. Ask any model specific question. Then sit back and wait for the responses to come flying in as everyone here checks their 250 service manuals.
Now repeat the same questions at the other board and note the difference in times and responses.
P.S. I made some changes to the Nighthawk wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Nighthawk_250
Pretty far fetched, right?
Start a new thread here and ask what the correct ignition timing is for the 500 Rebel. Also ask what the correct torque values are for the steering stem, both axles, and both sprockets. Ask what the max safe load rating is. Ask any model specific question. Then sit back and wait for the responses to come flying in as everyone here checks their 250 service manuals.
Now repeat the same questions at the other board and note the difference in times and responses.
P.S. I made some changes to the Nighthawk wiki page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Nighthawk_250
Pretty far fetched, right?
The plagiarized name is a pretty hot topic for some, it's definitely one that I have a hard time getting over. Then again most things that don't pass basic logic tend to have the same effect, and public schooling certainly isn't helping that issue.
Heh, my junk edit was up for three days before it finally got corrected. I rest my case.
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