'86 Rebel 450 restoration - Honda Rebel Forum
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post #1 of 10 Old 08-13-2019, 11:27 AM Thread Starter
 
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'86 Rebel 450 restoration

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I've owned this bike since the early '90's. Unfortunately, I let it sit in my garage unattended for two decades. I'm now retired and want to restore the bike to the extent possible. Less than 8000 original miles. I have a couple of questions now with many more to follow, I'm sure.

1. Can the in-tank fuel strainer/filter be acquired without replacing the entire petcock? My petcock operates fine, but the filter needs to be replaced.

2. Any recommendations for removing the patina developed on the metal casings would be appreciated. Elbow grease, I know... but are there solvents & techniques that would assist?

3. Has anyone used Jack's for the carb cleaning process? Does a rebuild come with this procedure? Can I accomplish this myself? Tips would be appreciated!

4. What engine oil is generally preferred? Is there a separate fluid for the tranny? I have brake fluid. Is there an oil filter to change? Where to source, if so, please?

I have ordered an owner's manual and service manual from eBay, but they haven't arrived yet. I'm sure these will be extremely valuable in this process.

I did get two new keys made from the gas cap code. I wanted original "Rebel" keys, but couldn't locate. The new keys operate all of the bike locks.

Thanks for your input and assistance! Looking forward to this project (at this point)... and will enjoy interaction with the forum folks!
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post #2 of 10 Old 08-13-2019, 12:23 PM
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1. Yes, it can be ordered from a Honda stealership or online. Part number 16952-MM9-305
2. If you are referring to the engine, it came from the factory with a clear coat, which will have to be removed, usually with aircraft stripper (don't use Rustoleum brand). Then the cases can be polished, either manually or by machine
3. Yes. Yes. Yes, but it may be easier to have Jack do it.
4. Most here use 10W or 15W-40 conventional oil. You could also use XX-50 if it's super hot. You can spend more on motorcycle specific oils, but IMO they are no better, and may be worse. Don't use conventional XXW-30 or lower conventional oils as they contain friction modifiers which will ruin the clutch. Which leads into your next question; the transmission is bathed in motor oil. There is an oil filter, and there can be fitment issues with some aftermarket brands. Here's a link to a diagram and part number for the Honda oil filter: https://www.cheapcycleparts.com/oemp...ower-crankcase Can be ordered online or from a dealership.
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Thank you, flitecontrol, for your reply. I would've never guessed "aircraft stripper" for cleaning the engine surfaces. Is that something available from Amazon or the like, using that term? Was expecting to use the 40 weight oil... glad it covers everything needing lubrication within the cases. I've spoken with Jack before... will certainly be using his shop to help outfit the bike... and most likely will have him restore the carbs, to boot.

Any other resto-tips will be appreciated. Electrics work, but some of the lighting (turn signals) appear to take a bit of time to engage due to the wiring age, I suppose. I'll have to give everything a once-over... or more. Again, thanks for your input!
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post #4 of 10 Old 08-13-2019, 02:33 PM
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You can usually find aircraft stripper where paint is sold. Also available on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Klean-Strip...IAAOSwD0lUfznd

If you clean the turn signal switch and lightly lubricate the parts with dielectric grease, that will probably eliminate the slow engagement. Be careful when opening it up, as the spring loaded bits will want to fly away. One member recommended doing it inside a clear plastic bag for that reason.
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Good advice. I'll prolly let Jack take care of the carbs... have a request for information in now... they're a critical component.
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post #6 of 10 Old 08-14-2019, 01:19 PM
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Sometimes it is not easy to get rid of all the old grease. I use lacquer thinner and a tooth brush to clean it off.
When you take the switches apart you should polish the small brass contacts, when I do it I use steel wool,
and then the dielectric grease. on all the parts. It doesn't take much.
There are some very small springs and steel balls to jeep track of and remember where they go. Be careful.
Good luck
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Can anyone link a video for the removal of my carbs on this CMX 450? I've looked on YouTube, but nothing seems to match (perhaps my bad). My service manual & owner's manual are not due to arrive until next week from the left coast. Wanting to be delicate in the process due to age stresses (mine and the bike's) and preserve the rubber booting especially. I believe the air box should be removed first, but I'm not finding the final attach point for it. Perhaps just a written sequence of events would assist. Thanks!

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Sounds much like the CMX250 removal except there are two carbs @jax gave a blow by blow removal procedure.
https://www.hondarebelforum.com/f12/...tml#post114184
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Thanks for that, SoakedKarma. I managed to remove the carbs this afternoon... it was no small feat for this first-timer! I intend to send them to Jack's next week for restoration. I believe the reassembly will perhaps be even more difficult... but I hope to have my service manual (and these videos) to help guide me through. Thanks, again!

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While waiting for carbs to return you will have some time to soften the rubber which should make assembly a little easier..
Softening rubber with methyl salicylate aka oil of wintergreen
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