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post #1 of 6 Old 06-26-2019, 04:51 AM Thread Starter
 
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1st and N question

Is it normal when approaching a stop, I drop gears but occasionally find it hard to find 1st or N? If I give the engine a little rev the transmission will then click and drop down to 1st. It doesn't always do this. If I am starting from a cold start, it finds 1st always.


I tend to like to be in 1st when I come to a stop so I can pull away quickly if needed. But it's a pain in the ass if I can't get it in there. Perhaps this is a quirk of these bikes? Otherwise it runs very well.

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post #2 of 6 Old 06-26-2019, 07:29 AM
 
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The Rebel manual states to gear down to 3rd, but it doesn't say to gear down any more than that. As for finding N, it's easy with the clutch pulled in push the shift lever 1/2 way. The bike has difficulty finding 1st at speeds above 25 MPH. So once you start to slow to a stop throw it into 1st, BEFORE you come to a stop. Rebel quirks...

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Thanks, yeah I'm guessing it's probably something I am doing wrong. Not ridden in twenty plus years so I'm again getting a feel for riding! Just don't want to damage anything.


Great bikes these old 450s. Just takes some getting used to with the engine noise at 70mph+!!!!

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maritimesbob,

Finding neutral can be tricky with warm/hot weather and continuous riding especially when using lower viscosity oils (30w).

I use 20w-50 oil, particularly in warm weather to make shifting and finding neutral a little easier (note that some 50w oils may decrease gas mileage to a limited extent; look for Castrol 20W-50 or similar, you don't need to spend lots of $$ on specialty oils).

65-70 mph is about the top comfortable speed for me and the 450 Rebel. I much prefer 50-60 mph (less engine noise, no vibration, still has some top end left, feels more stable, etc.).

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I think the neutral difficulty is a rebel quirk. both rebels ive owned were a bit clunky to put in N. I always roll the bike forward and sort of rev it a bit to go from 1st to N.

ive never ridden any other bike for any extended period of time though
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maritimesbob,

Finding neutral can be tricky with warm/hot weather and continuous riding especially when using lower viscosity oils (30w).

I use 20w-50 oil, particularly in warm weather to make shifting and finding neutral a little easier.
FACT.

This is the same info I received from Jack B, one of the founding fathers of Jacks Rebel Warehouse. I spent a lot of time on the phone with JB as he was the one highly focused specifically on Honda Rebels years ago. He told me the 450 transmission really 'appreciates' the heavier weight oil in functioning, to change the oil to 20-50, and make sure to keep the base of the shifter clean (weird, but its works, trust me-go clean it). I use $pectro semi-synthetic. Yea it cost a little more, but I also don't need to change it as frequently as lighter weight. Depends on how many miles I put in and with multiple bike, I am at every other fall. I change it at the end of the year and try to put a few miles on before bedding down for the winter. You should also make sure the lever is set properly and feels 'natural' for your foot.

In the city the decision to hit 1 vs. 2 when approaching a stop sign or light is based on a number of factors so I can't say I use one or the other more. Total stops get down to first, but those ticket-enticing, 'hollywood' stops can be either.

Also, practice makes perfect, you'll be fluid with it!

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