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post #1 of 32 Old 03-04-2017, 06:13 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hi everyone new to this forum and new to owning a Honda Rebel. I currently have a 85 Rebel. When I first got it, it was having some issues accelerating, hesitation, sputtering, turning on, but it ran and after a 15 minute idle warm up and about 5 minutes into riding it would ride fine. I decided maybe it was the spark plugs since it had a lot of those similar issues so this morning i went to check what condition they were in. Pulled off the rubber caps then realized I don't have a spark plug wrench. I put the caps back on and tried to turn it on to ride it to the nearest parts store and nothing. It was completely dead. Won't turn over not even a sound of it trying to ignite, lights were completely out horn didn't even work. I'm a noob to motorcycles and just mechanical things in general i thought maybe I shorted out the spark plug somehow? Is that a thing? But it was completely dead so I took my gfs car to the store and bought spark plugs and still nothing so I decided maybe it's the battery? and bought a new battery and it ran fine. It ran better than fine it was running perfect with no warming up needed accelerating perfectly I was so happy. Came home after about 20 minutes riding around and filling up the tank. 2 hours later get back on the bike and ride it to a friends house hang out for a few hours then I leave and I start the bike and had a little trouble but it gets cold at night so I pull down the choke and it starts. I start riding all is going well then it starts to back fire and all the power starts to go. I pull over and try to restart it. it's trying to turn Over but can't turn on then I try again am again nothing. I hear a tick tick sound like when your turning on a gas stove but that's it. A call a friend to come get me and my bike and I notice now it's completely dead. The light died out again no horn nothing. A giant lifeless brick. I was so mad because I thought my problems were solved and then this when I'm in a bad neighborhood on top of it. Anyways. Does anyone have any idea what this sounds like or something I should check and see? Has anyone had any similar issues? What the hell should I do?
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Your description is a little hard to follow because your terminology is not very precise.. Some suggestions:
"turning over" means the starter is spinning the engine over in an effort to start.
"turn on" means flip an electrical switch to the on position.
"start" means the engine begins to run.

You should know that the ignition system on these bikes is entirely separate from the 12 volt battery and electrical system. it is powered from its own power coil located in the alternator stator. Therefore the condition of the battery will only affect the starter operation but not ignition. If you can get it running, the ignition will continue to operate even with a dead battery.

The alternator needs to be spinning pretty fast and for a long time to recharge a weakened battery, so if it is hard to start, and you are making many short trips, the battery may run down completely without ever recharging. You should get a battery tender to recharge your battery and keep it topped up when parked.

From your description it is difficult to say where the issue may lie. The fact that you say it ran perfect with a new battery and then began running poorly suggests the issue might be in the ignition module, although these can be expensive and hard to find and I would want to be sure it wasn't something else before changing this.
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From your description, it sounds like you have a dead short that is draining the battery. In simple terms..you have a wiring problem or electrical system component failure. If you are not familiar with troubleshooting this type of issue, get it to someone that is capable.
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Paragraphs would help as post is hard to read..
Could be as simple as cleaning terminals.
New acid flooded batteries need to be charged at a low <2 amp rate 6 to 10 hours before fully charged.

Rebel alternator output is 0.9A max @ 5000 rpm thus would take 10 hours of riding to charge a 9AH battery. as @Duckster noted..

try jump starting from a non running vehicle..

One last note Just because a part is new doesn't mean it's good.. Shops often return non functioning parts to suppliers, keeps parts runners employed. don't totally exclude the battery as the problem.
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I had a 85 that had a short in the system and it would blow my fuses occasionally. Check all your fuses to make sure one isn't blown. I was real redneck about it and carried a few fuses with me everywhere I went until I tracked it down. I'm terrible with electrical though so it took longer than it should have.
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Your description is a little hard to follow because your terminology is not very precise.. Some suggestions:
"turning over" means the starter is spinning the engine over in an effort to start.
"turn on" means flip an electrical switch to the on position.
"start" means the engine begins to run.

You should know that the ignition system on these bikes is entirely separate from the 12 volt battery and electrical system. it is powered from its own power coil located in the alternator stator. Therefore the condition of the battery will only affect the starter operation but not ignition. If you can get it running, the ignition will continue to operate even with a dead battery.

The alternator needs to be spinning pretty fast and for a long time to recharge a weakened battery, so if it is hard to start, and you are making many short trips, the battery may run down completely without ever recharging. You should get a battery tender to recharge your battery and keep it topped up when parked.

From your description it is difficult to say where the issue may lie. The fact that you say it ran perfect with a new battery and then began running poorly suggests the issue might be in the ignition module, although these can be expensive and hard to find and I would want to be sure it wasn't something else before changing this.
Sorry @Duckster I'm a noob to forums and motrocycles. I've only been riding for 6 months. But basically it won't do any one of those things. I took battery out and tested and it was very low on power. It's charging now and I'll put it back in tomorrow and see if this helped at all and if the battery doesn't end up dying in a day.
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I had a 85 that had a short in the system and it would blow my fuses occasionally. Check all your fuses to make sure one isn't blown. I was real redneck about it and carried a few fuses with me everywhere I went until I tracked it down. I'm terrible with electrical though so it took longer than it should have.
I checked the fuses and it all looked good none were burnt out or damaged.
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From your description, it sounds like you have a dead short that is draining the battery. In simple terms..you have a wiring problem or electrical system component failure. If you are not familiar with troubleshooting this type of issue, get it to someone that is capable.
Would that be an expensive thing to get fixed usually?
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