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post #1 of 7 Old 03-19-2020, 12:09 AM Thread Starter
 
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Basic LED turn signal inquiry

Hello folks,

I'm in the middle of a little restoration on my 2001 Rebel and have decided to install these LED bullet turn signals all the way around on the bike. I am running the turn signals only, running light function is not being utilized.

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I have everything soft installed and wired correctly but had to replace the flasher relay. I am using a Novita EP34 from pepboys. It has 3 prongs labled B/L/E. I understand the B to be 12v, L is the load and E is a ground that is required for this unit.

When I connect it as such I get 4 way flash on both right/left signals. If I pull the instrument panel connector (black clip) to disable the indicator I get right turn signal but left makes all lights flash 3 times and I blow the 10a tail lamp fuse (tail is a 1157 LED, tag is standard if that matters). Needless to say I plugged the indicator connector back in.

My question is this. I've read the sticky on here and other related posts and see a few different ways folks are remedying this. Some have a relay with a (P) prong for the indicator which I lack. Some do a dual indicator setup, Others are using diodes on what I'm assuming are the signal lines from the front signals (lt.blue/orange) that feed the indicator and yet others are mentioning using a LED 194 on the indicator as a remedy.

Will simply replacing the indicator bulb with a 194 LED resolve this or are the diodes absolutely necessary?

If the diodes are necessary which ones are best to use (ive seen several different ones mentioned). Could I get a pic of how these are being installed? What I'm imaging doesn't seem very rigid or weather proof.

Is there a better relay to use besides the EP34? I started with a EP27 and couldn't even get it to fire the lights so exchanged it for this one.

Thanks folks and I'm happy to supply any additional info if needed.
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Thanks for the information. I have the schematics for the relay and also the motorcycle. I'm just trying to figure out which method is best for resolving this 4 way flash. I went today and got a Sylvania 194A LED bulb for the indicator (sort of a pita removing out of that rubber sleeve/boot) and a set of 6Ω Sylvania load resistors. I haven't installed them yet but will reply back with the verdict on them. Ill try just the bulb first (considering the LED is a diode and may resist the back flow of energy in and of itself) then these load resistors if that doesn't resolve it and go from there. I'll attach a pic of the resistors for reference
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Getting closer

Alright, I dropped by the shop after work and threw the 194A in panel. The actual turn signals work fine now but the indicator only works on one side (which side is dependent on which way I install the bulb).

This weekend I'll play with the load resistors on the different bulbs and see if I can post a quick and easy solution for others attempting to do the same. As a last resort I can 86 the high beam and order another amber turn indicator cap and just run dual indicators. I have a ridiculously bright LED headlight on the bike and it's hard not to notice the high beam so the indicator is really just a place holder for me anyway.

I'll keep you guys posted. Here are some pics of the signals and the resistor set that I couldn't post earlier.
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By your last post I gather you initially had swapped LEDs in the indicators also. .

You have since replaced the indicator LED with a filament 194a bulb.
Is this correct?


A few threads to read
https://www.hondarebelforum.com/f80/...de-119723.html


https://www.hondarebelforum.com/f80/...sion-8183.html


https://www.hondarebelforum.com/f28/...ion-14178.html

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these may help
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Use a pair of 1N4001 thru 1N4007 diodes, no need to order out, find an old VCR or stereo and have a look, you'll likely find two useful diodes that you can just snip off the circuit board and solder some leads onto to connect to your bike.

Cheers! Freebie, Zip, Zero, Nada!
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