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post #1 of 10 Old 09-17-2019, 02:02 AM Thread Starter
 
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Question Installing Sissy Bar, bolting to tail plate

I have a chrome sissy bar to install on my 2005 Rebel 250, and I'd welcome advice. It bolts to the chrome tail plates on the rear fender (12 and 13 on the attached parts diagram), using the existing bolts (14 and 16 on the diagram), or maybe longer replacements, to accommodate the extra 1/8 inch of bracket. These bolts currently also support brackets for the saddle bags. I know I'm going to have to take off the one-piece (Saddlemen) seat, in order to remove then replace the saddle bags, so I can get to the plates. Before I start, I thought I'd ask whether anybody (or anybody reading this) knows whether I'm going to have to remove the whole tail plates (including flashers and shocks) to do this, or is it possible to do it in place? It looks as if maybe the rear bolt screws in to the plate itself, and the front bolt screws through plate and fender in to an accessible nut, and that would be sweet. Sorry to ask such a novice question, but I don't want to end up with the bike in pieces (at least until the riding season is done - sometime in February, maybe?). Thanks for any advice or observations.
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Mark, what brand sissy bar are you installing?

Asking because I am planning to add a Cobra rack/sissy bar arrangement, and in speaking with them they indicated it would just bolt right on to the Rebel without disassembly, and likewise was compatible with the saddlebag brackets in the same way.

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Not sure how much bolt length the saddlebag brackets are taking up, but here's what I'd do. Feel the ends of bolts 14 and 16 inside the fender. If there is approximately 1/4" extending past the nuts, and the sissy bar brackets are only 1/8" thick, you should be fine with the existing bolts. If not, find some slightly longer bolts. Bolts that are too long can rub the tire, and you don't want that.

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I purchased the sissy bar used, and haven't seen a brand name on it. It's old and heavy, but the holes on the bracket appear to line up correctly with the existing bolts used for the saddlebag supports. My concern is with access to the nut (if needed) for the rear bolt.

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Not sure how much bolt length the saddlebag brackets are taking up, but here's what I'd do. Feel the ends of bolts 14 and 16 inside the fender. If there is approximately 1/4" extending past the nuts, and the sissy bar brackets are only 1/8" thick, you should be fine with the existing bolts. If not, find some slightly longer bolts. Bolts that are too long can rub the tire, and you don't want that.
Thanks for the helpful response, Flite.

My concern is with access to the nut (if needed) for the rear bolt. I believe that bolt does not go through the fender, but only the tail plate. I can't see behind the plate, and hope that the bolt is going in to a thread in (or fixed to) the plate.

If there is a separate nut hidden behind the plate, I fear I would have to remove the plate, in order to get a hold on the nut. I'd then have to tighten that bolt fixing saddle bag support and new (to me) sissy bar bracket, before reinstalling the plate. Of course, I think that removing the tail plates would involve disconnecting or removing flashers and shocks. (At that point, I have to question how much I need or want the sissy bar, or at least how urgent it is!)

If you have seen the back of one of these (2nd gen) tail plates, maybe you have an idea about how that rear bolt attaches? (There are also two holes close together on both the tail plate and fender behind this bolt position, used for the flasher bolt and wiring.) I can't get my eyes or fingers behind the tail plate to see much.

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You normally don't have to remove anything other than the bolts 14 and 16. There is a nut behind the fender, but it's easy to access with a wrench. No room for a socket. And as always, it's metric, can't remember the size. If the bolt doesn't go through the nut all the way by one or two threads, you should be able to get away with still feeling the end of the bolt flush or close to flush with the nut. Otherwise, you will need to buy longer bolts. Again you don't want the bolt longer than 1 or 2 threads past the nut, otherwise it will start to rub the tire.

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You normally don't have to remove anything other than the bolts 14 and 16. There is a nut behind the fender, but it's easy to access with a wrench. No room for a socket. And as always, it's metric, can't remember the size. If the bolt doesn't go through the nut all the way by one or two threads, you should be able to get away with still feeling the end of the bolt flush or close to flush with the nut. Otherwise, you will need to buy longer bolts. Again you don't want the bolt longer than 1 or 2 threads past the nut, otherwise it will start to rub the tire.
Thanks, Guba! I understand about the bolt lengths, and hope you're right about the ease of fitting.

On mine, the fender is like the pic attached (from ad on eBay). I think that the two rear holes are for the flasher bolt and wire, and there is no hole for the bolt (16) that goes in to the tail plate just in front of them. That bolt (16) is a short one (8x12) compared to the other one (14) that is 8x31. I can definitely see the fender behind the tail plate and that bolt does not go all the way thru, and there is no nut at that position behind the fender wall. Where bolt #16 goes thru the tail plate, I can slide a piece of paper between tail plate and fender (but I couldn't get a finger or wrench or camera in there, hence my concern about having to remove the tail plate).

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Missed the picture that I meant to include. (Again, not mine, but like mine.)
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Had to look at my bike, I see what your saying. Bolt 16 does not go through the fender at all. It just bolts into the chrome piece. Any bolt you put in where 16 is, should not touch the fender.

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Thanks, again, Guba!

With help from eBay, again, I've been able to find pictures that illustrate what you're saying. It looks a if there is a square nut welded to the back of the tail plate, in to which the bolt #16 for both saddle bag bracket and sissy bar bracket will screw. So, it looks like I will be able to install without removing the plate.

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