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post #1 of 16 Old 07-26-2019, 12:36 PM Thread Starter
 
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87 250 rebel, shes had some trouble with shifting lately. She never really liked finding neutral and lately the lower gears are shifting harder. Yesterdays ride, about 50 miles, she wouldnt find neutral unless moving or in midrange rpms.
1st gear is a heavy jerk forward when I'm stopped. (With the wheel off the ground, in 1st gear and the clutch in [mimicking neutral] the wheel still spun. Not sure if that is normal when the back wheel is off the ground)
It's old, I understand parts wear down, but I'm wondering what tune ups and adjustments I could perform before I open her up.

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(With the wheel off the ground, in 1st gear and the clutch in [mimicking neutral] the wheel still spun. Not sure if that is normal when the back wheel is off the ground)
yes a properly functioning clutch will spin rear wheel.. the oil of a wet clutch between engine driven clutch and transmission plates creates just enough drag to spin wheel... at least mine does..

the thumping into 1st indicates too much drag,, I'd do a clutch adjustment, but would have to have book beside me to assure proper procedure..
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Does the clutch lever have 3/8" - 3/4" of freeplay at the end? Diagram at post 7 here: https://www.hondarebelforum.com/f28/...help-5860.html

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87 250 rebel, shes had some trouble with shifting lately. She never really liked finding neutral and lately the lower gears are shifting harder. Yesterdays ride, about 50 miles, she wouldnt find neutral unless moving or in midrange rpms.
1st gear is a heavy jerk forward when I'm stopped. (With the wheel off the ground, in 1st gear and the clutch in [mimicking neutral] the wheel still spun. Not sure if that is normal when the back wheel is off the ground)
It's old, I understand parts wear down, but I'm wondering what tune ups and adjustments I could perform before I open her up.
I am curious why you are shifting to neutral while out riding? I never use neutral while riding the bike.

We learned in the MSF course to completely ignore/avoid neutral while riding. We were taught that, as a general rule, the only time itís used is for pushing the bike while turned off, or starting it with the kickstand down.

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VAREB: I think she means "riding" as a total experience. For instance, You would obviously want to be in neutral if you come to a full stop and want both hands free to unzip your jacket or to do something else, but don't want to shut down the engine. Another example: I always shift into neutral when backing the bike into a parking space with the engine still running, in case I want to engage first and power forward a little to get squared up. I find that I have more control over directing the front wheel if I'm not trying to keep the clutch engaged. The problem of "finding" neutral with the bike at full stop is pretty common with older Rebels, especially. Sometimes it helps to "rock" the bike with clutch held in and moving through the gear pattern, as others have often suggested. Sometimes I have to keep trying three or four times. Most of the time it slips right in. It is pretty random. And I keep my clutch adjusted to specs, and check it often. Just one of those quirky things. Something that I can say about up/down shifting through the lower gears for certain (concerning my bike anyway) is that waiting to shift until I hit a higher rpm provides a much smoother shift. Disregarding clutch/throttle coordination as a factor, I can hear the smoother mechanical movement of the shift and there is less foot/toe force needed to transition. I am of the Zen school of biking. I shift by ear not by speedo or tach.
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I can't find neutral at a stop to save my life... 10+ tries, finally gave up and just turned the stupid thing off in 1st gear. Mines a 2000....rocking no help. Wondering if there's an adjustment also.

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I can't find neutral at a stop to save my life... 10+ tries, finally gave up and just turned the stupid thing off in 1st gear. Mines a 2000....rocking no help. Wondering if there's an adjustment also.
I gave up trying, it's just a habit now to put in neutral while the bike is still rolling.

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Mine will go into neutral with a soft touch and the bike rolling.

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Try going down from 2nd instead of up from 1st. That's way easier on mine. Might be just because it's easier to be careful and gentle when pressing down, but either way. Rocking doesn't help, just makes it easier to move the shifter but it still flies past neutral into 2nd.

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I noticed that my shifting was getting sluggish in resetting for the next gear. Found that the shifting shaft going in the gearbox was the problem. There is a seal in the small housing that was sludged up. Seal was fine, so I cleaned, polished the shaft, regreased & solved the problem.

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