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post #11 of 16 Old 07-18-2018, 12:22 PM
 
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I don't want to start the oil debate again, but I may have some 'possibly' bad news for you...
Castrol 03094 (10W40 GTX) is API SN oil, which 'could probably' cause some clutch issues.
You should use nothing higher than API SJ oil without the energy conserving tag, which doesn't have any of the new API spec additives for energy/fuel/resource conserving that contaminate a clutch...


The conventional wisdom was to avoid "energy conserving" in the bottom of the API donut, but googling this queston for you and I discovered that API SM Energy Conserving labels were discontinued Dec 2016, anything on the shelf that says "API SM energy conserving" was packaged before that date. SM is still allowed, they just don't put the "energy conserving" tag on it anymore ...
Under the SN rating the tag 'usually' says "resource conserving" which is even more anti-wear additives than SM was.....


15,000 miles on a clutch is not excessive, but it could be worn out...



I played it safe and bit the bullet to pay extra for oil labeled for 'motorcycles' just in case..SJ still has the plain-jane-without and energy conserving labels allowed...



If you want, you could try changing the oil, working at getting 50 miles of stop and go (lots of clutch), and change it again, on the outside chance it is the oil and on the outside chance that the contamination could be flushed away, or just jump right in and pull the clutch cover....
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post #12 of 16 Old 07-18-2018, 12:44 PM
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That's good to know, kryton.

I can tell you from personal experience that once the energy/resource conserving oil gets into the clutch plates, the only solution is new fiber plates. The metal plates should still be good.

Shell Rotella oil does not have energy conserving additives, provides good lubrication, and is cheaper than motorcycle specific oils.
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It was an eye-opener that you can't rely on the API donut's bottom part anymore. API SN oil has to be more anti-wear/anti-sludge/anti-deposit than SM was, and API SN+RC has to protect turbochargers/E85 compatible/Emissions control/, not sure I can trust any of it on a wet clutch.
API SM no longer differentiates between energy conserving or not,they stopped licensing that bonus tag Dec 2016.
--AND re-checking API-SJ - I was wrong - the licensing for Energy Conserving for the SJ oil was also pulled Dec 2016, meaning you can't trust that label anymore either...its no longer licensed to allow easy distinguishing between the types...



We are sort of left with SN+RC is guaranteed death for a wet clutch, anything else can be a gamble if it is not labeled specifically for motorcycles. (documented successes noted above excluded while supplies last )

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post #14 of 16 Old 08-03-2018, 02:51 PM Thread Starter
 
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Welp, it was simply the clutch cable. When I adjusted it worked perfectly. I'll be changing the oil soon too. Thank you all for the info regarding what to look for when purchasing oil since I thought I did my research but obviously not well enough.
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post #15 of 16 Old 08-05-2018, 05:26 PM Thread Starter
 
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I spoke too soon. was riding with the lady today and the bike began to slip. loosened the cable some more but it didn't improve. Just placed an order for parts and tools:

Bike Bandit
EBC CK Series Clutch Plates
EBC CSK Clutch Spring Kit
Gasket, R. Crankcase Cover
Motion Pro Oil Filter & Clutch Hub Spanner
Clutch Lock Nut 16MM

Amazon
ACDelco ARM602-4 1/2 Digital Torque Adapter (4-147.6 ft-lbs) with Audible Alert
Castrol 06112 POWER 1 4T 10W-40 Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, 1 Quart Bottle, 6 Pack

I'm currently trying to track down my manual but is there anything I'm missing or tips for getting the job done? I'm hoping it shouldn't be too bad and I'll be back on the road soon. Thanks everyone for your help.
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post #16 of 16 Old 08-06-2018, 09:51 AM
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Do a tag search for clutch. Lots of threads on the subject.

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