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post #21 of 25 Old 07-10-2018, 12:52 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for all of the responses. Getting into neutral while the bike is moving (as in be running; being ridden) isn't a problem just when the bike is running but standing still like at a stop sign or red light, however it isn't a big issue at this time. I did have to move the gear shift though as there is a crash bar on the bike and it made it difficult to get the foot under the peg to shift, however this didn't seem to hinder the shifting as it is responding the same way as if the gear shift was in the factory position.

JerryH I find it hard to believe that these bike shift the best out of all the bikes you have own. I have not have as near 50 bikes as you have but I have probably rode close to that many and these bikes suck for shifting. The factory position of the gear shift makes no sense. I have never seen a gear shift at 180 degrees of the foot peg. It puts your foot in an awkward position hindering shifting. The short throw in the shift and the worst part, nothing to do with shifting, but the gear ratio is so bad that there is no difference between 2 and 3rd gear. I am not bashing Honda as I have had a VTX 1300C in the past and currently own a VTX1300C now. The bikes are rock solid. I just think a little more forethought into this design would have helped.
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I have seen many riders pull up to a red light, shift into neutral, then when the light changed, they would literally kick the bike into gear as hard as they could. This is not good for the transmission, and will cause damage.
And it's not safe, either. Before stopping, the bike should be downshifted while the bike is still moving. Sitting at an intersection with the bike in neutral is an invitation to become the meat in a bumper sandwich!

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Thanks for all of the responses. Getting into neutral while the bike is moving (as in be running; being ridden) isn't a problem just when the bike is running but standing still like at a stop sign or red light, however it isn't a big issue at this time.
Well you just need to push the bike slightly forward or back as you press on the shift lever. This is normal for any motorcycle transmission.
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I did have to move the gear shift though as there is a crash bar on the bike and it made it difficult to get the foot under the peg to shift, however this didn't seem to hinder the shifting as it is responding the same way as if the gear shift was in the factory position.

JerryH I find it hard to believe that these bike shift the best out of all the bikes you have own. I have not have as near 50 bikes as you have but I have probably rode close to that many and these bikes suck for shifting. The factory position of the gear shift makes no sense. I have never seen a gear shift at 180 degrees of the foot peg.
The angle of the shift pedal from the footpeg depends on where the footpegs are located on the bike and hence the natural angle of the foot resting on the peg. On many bikes, the lever is actually lower then the footpeg. On a Rebel the factory position is about 18 degrees above the horizontal such that the ball of the riders foot should fall naturally against the side of the pedal making it easy to get the toe above or below it.
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It puts your foot in an awkward position hindering shifting. The short throw in the shift and the worst part, nothing to do with shifting, but the gear ratio is so bad that there is no difference between 2 and 3rd gear. I am not bashing Honda as I have had a VTX 1300C in the past and currently own a VTX1300C now. The bikes are rock solid. I just think a little more forethought into this design would have helped.
didn't you say that you relocated the shift pedal? Could that be why its awkward to get your foot on it now?

As to your assertion that there is a design issue with gear ratios, have a look at a plot of gear selected vs gear ratio. you will see a big jump from first to second and progressively smaller changes in 3rd 4th and 5th. Pretty much as you'd expect for a 250 from a major manufacturer. Are you sure there's an issue there that nobody else seems to have noticed?
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The shift linkage needs to be kept parallel. If it isn't, shifting becomes more difficult. https://www.hondarebelforum.com/f36/...gram-9155.html

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This is why I originally found this forum. When I first got my Rebel, I found it uncomfortable to get my toes under the shift lever, so I moved the lever a notch on the shaft. That changed the angle of the linkage, and no amount of adjustment would let it shift as smoothly as the stock position. There is a mark on the end of the shaft that lines up with a mark on the lever to verify the stock position. I eventually learned to shift without getting my whole foot under the lever, and got comfortable with the stock position.

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