2001 rebel 250 hard to get into neutral - Honda Rebel Forum
 1Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 26 Old 06-03-2015, 10:30 PM Thread Starter
 
rebel450custom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: canada
Posts: 103
2001 rebel 250 hard to get into neutral

hey guys i have a 450..but my friend with his 01 250 rebel with like 7000km on it has a hard time getting into neutral..but if he puts down his kickstand and the sensor tuns off the bike it jumps into neutral nooo problem when he tries..when its started and in first not so easy....any ideas what it could be..or what we could do to fix it?...take into consideration the bike is mint and not beat up..good shape and always manitained..instead of him going to a mech i thought id ask here first

1986 rebel 450 custom
rebel450custom is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 26 Old 06-03-2015, 11:11 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Monroe, Louisiana
Posts: 27,401
Is he trying to shift to neutral when the bike is moving? If not, it's almost impossible to get it into neutral. With experience folks find it easier to find neutral. It just takes a little input to snick it down from second or a very slight lift moving up from first.
XLarry likes this.

Keepin' all the left over parts. Gonna use 'em to build another bike!

'01 & '09 Rebel 250, '06 Ninja 250, '89 VN 750
Putting your bike year and model in your signature helps others help you!
Here's how: https://www.hondarebelforum.com/f19/...re-121087.html
flitecontrol is offline  
post #3 of 26 Old 06-03-2015, 11:21 PM
 
Duckster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Fredericton,NB
Posts: 13,269
Garage
As mentioned, the rear wheel has to be moving at least a little to make it easiest to find neutral. Another potential problem is a dragging clutch. Make sure it is adjusted with 3/8-1/2 inch lever movement before the cable gets tight.
If still no joy, there may be a problem with the clutch.

2004 Rebel 250, 2003 BMW K1200GT (roadburner), 2004 BMW R1200GS(all purpose),
1973 Norton Interstate (in a box in the basement)
1968 Triumph Bonneville
Duckster is offline  
 
post #4 of 26 Old 06-04-2015, 01:23 AM Thread Starter
 
rebel450custom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: canada
Posts: 103
i put my 450 in neutral no problem when not moving, his clutch moves quite a bit probally 1/2 or more before ingage .. but why would the problem change and be ezier to put in neutral when the bikes off instead of on..both in not moving positions..

1986 rebel 450 custom
rebel450custom is offline  
post #5 of 26 Old 06-04-2015, 02:11 AM
 
Guba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Creston, Ohio
Posts: 5,756
The 250's have a hard time going into neutral. The 450's don't have this issue, and in fact go into any gear with an authoritive clunk.

MC.com ruined this forum

bye, bye
Guba is offline  
post #6 of 26 Old 06-04-2015, 08:24 AM
 
Duckster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Fredericton,NB
Posts: 13,269
Garage
The reason it's easier with the engine off has to do with the way a motorcycle transmission works. The gears are constantly meshed with each other, but only one set is actually locked to the shafts at a time. They slide back and forth on the shafts and lock into each other with pegs (dogs) that fit into slots on the adjacent gear. These pegs are undercut a little so that when they are engaged and under load they will not allow the gear to slide sideways. This is why you can apply shifter pressure when accelerating and the transmission will not shift until you roll off throttle.
When the clutch is fully disengaged, the load comes off the gears and they are free to slide on their shafts. If there is any tension on the gears due to a dragging clutch, the pegs will hang up and resist moving, making neutral hard to find.
likewise, if you try to shift at a standstill, you may be trying to force a peg into the side of the next gear(not the slot) which of course will not work. rolling the bike a little in either direction allows the slot to line up with the peg and it shifts easily.

2004 Rebel 250, 2003 BMW K1200GT (roadburner), 2004 BMW R1200GS(all purpose),
1973 Norton Interstate (in a box in the basement)
1968 Triumph Bonneville
Duckster is offline  
post #7 of 26 Old 06-04-2015, 08:47 AM
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 153
My 2007 behaves exactly as your friends. Having read quite a bit here, I have given up worrying about it. The rolling the bike a little trick does help and sometimes finding neutral from 2nd does help. I would say he should just keep practicing and there would be some good days and some bad days and that is just the nature of the beast.

CJC in Tucson AZ riding a 2007 Rebel. Back on a motorcycle after 40 years away. Sure is fun!!!!
CJCTUCSON is offline  
post #8 of 26 Old 06-04-2015, 01:13 PM
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 153
Just back from a nice ride. While I had never had great success with rocking the bike back and forth (maybe I just don't get it to move far enough), I decided to try the idea of shifting to neutral while moving. I had great success shifting from 2nd to neutral while moving forward coming to a stop. Of course as the MSF course teaches, you don't want to be in neutral at a stop light; but this technique should work great for me the next time I get to my destination or a rest stop.

CJC in Tucson AZ riding a 2007 Rebel. Back on a motorcycle after 40 years away. Sure is fun!!!!
CJCTUCSON is offline  
post #9 of 26 Old 07-14-2015, 03:23 PM
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: ny
Posts: 20
try going down to 1st., up to 2nd., half step down to neutral,while engine running and stopped. you may have to let the clutch out a little bit while doing so the gears can change.
chunkster is offline  
post #10 of 26 Old 07-14-2015, 03:43 PM
 
Duckster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Fredericton,NB
Posts: 13,269
Garage
I've seen a lot of bikes that have trouble finding neutral, and many of the same model that have no trouble at all. My Rebel slips into neutral very easily from either second or first, moving or stopped.
our training site has several brand new 2015 Honda Groms that will not go into neutral with the engine running period. We have some older model CB125's that have deteriorated to the point that neutral is nearly impossible to find. A few years back we had a couple of brand new Suzuki DR250's that would not go into neutral (they went back to the dealer).
I'm convinced that the issue is a defective clutch in those cases where the issue is not just a simple adjustment. A warped clutch plate will drag no matter what you do with clutch adjustment.

2004 Rebel 250, 2003 BMW K1200GT (roadburner), 2004 BMW R1200GS(all purpose),
1973 Norton Interstate (in a box in the basement)
1968 Triumph Bonneville
Duckster is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Honda Rebel Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 6 (2 members and 4 guests)
mladenko, PhilipJ
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome