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post #1 of 17 Old 07-15-2019, 07:49 PM Thread Starter
 
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Slick News -- More Engine Oil Options

I have been following the various MotoGP posts recently on social media and trying to avoid being overwhelmed by sponsorship propaganda, etc. Low an behold out of the electronic wasteland today, there was a promo video hyped by Petronas Oil (a Malaysian company). They were promoting Petonas Sprinta engine oil that they have developed in conjunction with Yamaha Racing. It is called Petronas Sprinta F900 Ultraflex 10w-40w. Especially formulated for bikes. "From the track to the road." Have to look into it further.

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More info on Petronas Sprinta F900. Couldn't find an American source or price. In British pounds it sells for L10 for a litter. The Petronas adverts claim it is synthetic but it is also advertised as compatible with bike clutches and gears. ???? I'm still looking for a spec sheet or something more concrete. Many introductory specials where you get one liter free. U.K. retailers mostly.

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Any reason you are searching for an exotic oil? I've got some that I mix up in the back of my shop you might be interested in. I pour it out of the container I buy it in and into one with a snazzy picture of a motorcycle on it. During the decanting process, I speak in tongues and march around the room backwards three times in a clockwise direction, followed by two counterclockwise rotations. Then I sprinkle a little chicken blood on the containers before packaging them. It's phenomenal oil, guaranteed to outperform any other oil on the face of the earth, and a steal at just $20/pint. You only need to change it every 50,000 miles.

Seriously, there are a number of top notch oils available in North America. Why would Malaysian oil be superior? Are there any specs for this oil?
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Sounds like your on to something Flight. Will you put the Stars & Bars on the label or a scantily clad woman with Daisy-Dukes?
I'm not searching for any oil myself, but very interested in "new developments" especially when the product claims counter what many on this forum have expressed: Synthetic oils are not compatible with wet clutches. Following are some verifiable facts and statistics. Shell is a subsidiary of Dutch Shell International, Castrol is British, Exxon-Mobil of course is North American and perhaps Pemex. Why is a Malaysian oil company making such noise? "More than eight-in-ten in Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia and Malaysia own a scooter. And the next tier of motorcycle owners are all in Asia: China at 60%, India at 47% and Pakistan at 43%. The advanced economies highest on the motorcycle ownership list are Italy (26%), home to the famous Vespa brand, and Greece (23%). The U.S., home to Harley-Davidson, languishes behind in this category, with only 14% of Americans saying they own a motorcycle." The point leaders/manufacturers so far in the MotoGP World Standings are: 1) Honda, 2&3) Ducati, 4) Suzuki, 5&6) Yamaha. Honda has Repsol (Spanish oil company) as a sponsor/partner, Ducati has partnered with Shell and races with their Shell Advance line which they claim is a "semi-synthetic." Suzuki has partnered with Ecstar oil which is fully synthetic. I'm still searching for the specs on the Petronas.

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Good idea! I'll add a gal waving the American flag and wearing Confederate themed Daisy Dukes while holding hands with a guy who looks like a movie star. Something for almost everybody.

There are some members here who use synthetic oil in their Rebels with no problems. The only reports of slipping clutches due to synthetic oil were in a couple of low mileage bikes. Hard to understand what would cause this, and it may have been something other than the oil. Call me superstitious, but if I had a low mileage Rebel, I'd avoid using synthetic until there were several thousand miles on the odometer. I don't use synthetic oil in the Rebel simply because I don't believe the cost outweighs the benefits.

Is Petronas available here? Wasn't referring to the oil companies ownership, just about availability of their oils.

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FEATURES AND BENEFITS (Petronas F900 ultraflex)

· Advanced control in deposit build ups especially under high operating temperature, helps maintaining bike power.

· Advanced oxidation resistance and low volatility, providing potential extended drainage interval.

· Helps eliminate clutch slippage and enhances clutch performance, delivering advanced drivability.

· Provides advanced engine, gear & clutch protection.



Specifications: JASO MA2; API SL

This was what I found from a non advertising source. I haven't found any "real world" tests--I guess the Yamaha racing team will yield something. I don't think it is available in the US. I'm with you on avoiding synthetics of course there may be a time when we have no choice in the matter. My guess is that day is not yet close.

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I have three Honda’s—one a Rebel— and one 1985 Yamaha XJ 700, and I have always used synthetic oil. I have used Amsoil, Mobil 1, and Valvoline Synthetic and never had a problem. As with any oil, make sure it is motorcycle oil and meets JASO classification. What causes clutch slippage is the energy saving additive in conventional motor oil, and that’s not found in any JASO rated oil.

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Thanks for the input Tabaka45! Sounds like solid, real world - road test evidence. A consensus seems to be forming that synthetic oils are ok to run in bikes, (except those that are not JASO certified). The other question I guess is whether the synthetics are more protective and allow more milage between oil changes?

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The mechanic at the Honda dealership in Brunswick several years ago told me that i could double the change interval if using synthetic oil. I have also read several articles that oil changes can be extended, one stating up to three times if using quality synthetic oil. I have doubled the interval on my Toyota Corolla with no problems. I do check the oil on a regular basis to insure the color has not changed. 100,000 miles and no issues. I double the interval on my motorcycles with oil filters, but probably will not on my Rebel since it has no filter. The owner's manual calls for oil change every 4,000 miles, and I may extend to 6,000. I have 3,000 on the oil in my Rebel now and it looks new. I do not abuse my bikes or ride in dusty conditions. If I did then I would not double the intervals.

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Interesting conversation.
I installed a Fumoto valve on my rebel oil pan.
The rebel takes about 1.5 liters of oil.
I use Shell Rotella 15W 40 T4 oil, JASO MA2.
I change the oil out at around every 1000 miles.
Needless to say oil ALWAYS seems fresh and clean.
Takes less than 5 minutes, less than $6.00.
I see no significant advantage to extend the oil change, just unnecessary risks.
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