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post #11 of 27 Old 05-20-2017, 06:21 PM
 
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I also saw a HD V rod Why do they get so much hate?
Because the V-Rod was Harley's abortive attempt to Update the cruiser concept from the 1953 Electraglide format. The HD faithful weren't ready to make such a move away from the tried and true. The only V Rod I ever rode had been modded with open pipes and a 240 series rear tire which combined to make it a terrible bike to ride, no ground clearance and very hard to turn.

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Ahh so looks good but rides like a tomato can. Sad. Doesn't the Indian have a bike with the same kind of style? I wounder if it rides as good.

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The stock V Rod would be better than the one I rode. The wide rear tire made it very difficult to initiate and hold a turn. A lot of front tire scuffing required. And to be fair it did have a nice engine, just way too much noise. Hard on the ears.
Indians are just Harley big twin clones with different, but very similar engines.

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Not sure why rubber mounting the engine would make it heavier???
It wasn't the rubber mounting that made it heavier, rather the frame modifications needed to rubber mount the motor. The bike gained 40-50 pounds between 2003 & 2004 when the rubber mounted 883 mills made their debut.
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As for the bad rap, EVO era and newer models saw considerable improvements in quality control versus the prior shovelhead & earlier bikes. The story goes that HD dealers stopped adding oil to their floor models during the AMF years because they would leak on the showroom floors and this is where "dry weight" was born. No idea how much truth there is behind that tale but their quality control back then was horrendous and their floor models were known to puke oil in the showrooms...and the MoCo was seeking advice from every angle up to and including meetings with Honda.

FWIW the MoCo tends to avoid supporting the Shovel/Iron head era bikes to this day but the aftermarket still provides better quality parts than the MoCo did back when those bikes were current models.

I had a 1995 1500 Vulcan which was a meager 3 years old when I acquired it that managed to leak all four fluids within nine months, and Kawi was known for their "single use fasteners" during that era --- meaning once you removed something the bolts would strip and you'd need new ones for reassembly, up to and including a new drain plug with the four quarts of oil it would ingest (an expensive lesson even back then to need another four quarts) and the 1500 was plagued with recalls from inception to about Y2K (it debuted in 86 or 87) up to and including a ridiculous nylon crown gear in the final drive system that needed replacing so Japan is not immune to the horror stories.

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Dismantling, sawzalling, and rattle canning does not make a bobber.
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Shadow, was rubber mounting the only thing they did in 2004. 40-50 lbs seems like an awful lot of frame.

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Oh, by the way...Honda isn't immune to problems either. My 1997 Shadow (purchased new in 97) needs a rear head gasket as it is puking coolant and it has never missed a scheduled service. I may not be able to get the 20th anniversary ride in on a timely manner.

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Shadow, was rubber mounting the only thing they did in 2004. 40-50 lbs seems like an awful lot of frame.
Not really. Keep in mind Kawasaki mastered the art of dumbing down a bike long before Harley made the Sportster with more pork. I refer of course to the original Vulcan 88 (BUBF 1500) versus the "Classic" etc that replaced it...after removing a carb to restrict breathing they added nearly 75 pounds worth of frame and another 25-ish worth of bodywork vaulting the big beast from a light 556# dry to 659# dry weight.

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My first two bikes were 1942 WLA Flathead Harleys. . They had open primary cases so of course they leaked.

The chains were kept lubed by an oil drop every so often while running. . Thus the small leak when parked.
I think this is where the rumor that all Harleys leaked started.

My next three Harleys... (72 Sportster, 82 Sportster, and an 84 Low Rider)... never leaked at all.

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The chains were kept lubed by an oil drop every so often while running. . Thus the small leak when parked.
I think this is where the rumor that all Harleys leaked started.
I read something a while back stating that the pre-EVO Harleys had "weep holes" that allowed an occasional drop of oil to hit the chain. I could never verify the truth behind that and it seems odd to randomly "auto-lube" a couple links at a time.

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I guess the idea is to lube the sprocket and let the sprocket lube the chain.

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I read something a while back stating that the pre-EVO Harleys had "weep holes" that allowed an occasional drop of oil to hit the chain. I could never verify the truth behind that and it seems odd to randomly "auto-lube" a couple links at a time.
With the bike running and the primary chain spinning, a random drop here and there would eventually cover the whole chain and spin off onto the sprockets. . The oil would only drop when running ( under pressure ) and not when the bike was parked. . But then, a couple drops might seep out because of the open primary cover. . Not a lot. . Just enough to mark your space.

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