Someone moved my 450 from my parking spot to the sidewalk and i was given a ticket - Honda Rebel Forum
 
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post #1 of 7 Old 07-07-2015, 01:26 AM Thread Starter
 
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Someone moved my 450 from my parking spot to the sidewalk and i was given a ticket

for 115 dollars...

I want to dispute this but what proof do I have?

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post #2 of 7 Old 07-07-2015, 02:06 AM
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Take your title and any other proof of when you purchased your bike to court to establish how long you have been parking there. Subpoena the meter maid(s) that work that area and ask them if they have ever seen your bike parked on the sidewalk prior to this. If you can't subpoena them, ask for a record of your parking tickets since you got the bike (there shouldn't be any applicable to the Rebel). Tell the judge that you never park on the sidewalk and give him a copy of your parking record. Also tell him you think someone wanted your parking space and moved the bike to get it. Print out the service manual page that shows how much the 450 weighs, highlight the weight, take that with you and give the judge a copy. Explain to the judge that it would be relatively easy for one or more persons to pick up the bike and roll it onto the sidewalk. If the judge is bike savvy and asks if the fork lock was working, tell him the truth. If it was working, point out that lifting the front wheel, which is relatively easy for such a light bike, bypasses the fork lock. I'll bet you aren't the first rider this has happened to, and not the first time the judge has encountered this situation. Make two or three copies of all the above documents in case you need to give copies to the judge (and prosecutor?). Be sure you have enough copies that you have a copy as there may be questions for you.

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Take your title and any other proof of when you purchased your bike to court to establish how long you have been parking there. Subpoena the meter maid(s) that work that area and ask them if they have ever seen your bike parked on the sidewalk prior to this. If you can't subpoena them, ask for a record of your parking tickets since you got the bike (there shouldn't be any applicable to the Rebel). Tell the judge that you never park on the sidewalk and give him a copy of your parking record. Also tell him you think someone wanted your parking space and moved the bike to get it. Print out the service manual page that shows how much the 450 weighs, highlight the weight, take that with you and give the judge a copy. Explain to the judge that it would be relatively easy for one or more persons to pick up the bike and roll it onto the sidewalk. If the judge is bike savvy and asks if the fork lock was working, tell him the truth. If it was working, point out that lifting the front wheel, which is relatively easy for such a light bike, bypasses the fork lock. I'll bet you aren't the first rider this has happened to, and not the first time the judge has encountered this situation. Make two or three copies of all the above documents in case you need to give copies to the judge (and prosecutor?). Be sure you have enough copies that you have a copy as there may be questions for you.

Good luck.
Thank you very much

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You're welcome. Just a logical approach to the situation. Be sure to contact the appropriate authorities and get a court date. You probably have a limited time to pay the fine and if you don't request a court date well before the fine is due, you will be in a poor position to fight it. Confirm with those you contact that indicating you are going to fight this will negate paying the ticket before the judge makes a decision. Write down the date, time, name of the person(s) you speak with, and what was discussed. Try to make your writing legible as you may need this information to refute an inaccurate statement that may come up. In some jurisdictions, only original notes are allowed, so don't type it up unless your writing is only legible to you. In that case, do type the notes, but keep the original notes and take them to court in case the judge wants to compare them with the typed copy. Be sure the notes have the exact information the handwritten notes have or the judge may throw them out. Let those you speak with know you want the meter maids to testify, and complete any paperwork that may be needed to ensure they appear. If you can, prior to court, ask the meter maids if they have encountered similar situations where the bike owner claimed to have left their bike parked legally, and if yes, approximately how many times. This might require waiting for them to come down your street and talking with them, or going to where they work and striking up a conversation. Subpoena any that have seen this before, which will require getting their names. If they have seen similar situations, be sure to bring this up in court. This will help the judge see that what happened to you is not a rare incident, and it builds credibility for your case. If they haven't, their testimony isn't going to help you and you will probably want to release them from appearing in court well before the court date.

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You're welcome. Just a logical approach to the situation. Be sure to contact the appropriate authorities and get a court date. You probably have a limited time to pay the fine and if you don't request a court date well before the fine is due, you will be in a poor position to fight it. Confirm with those you contact that indicating you are going to fight this will negate paying the ticket before the judge makes a decision. Write down the date, time, name of the person(s) you speak with, and what was discussed. Try to make your writing legible as you may need this information to refute an inaccurate statement that may come up. In some jurisdictions, only original notes are allowed, so don't type it up unless your writing is only legible to you. In that case, do type the notes, but keep the original notes and take them to court in case the judge wants to compare them with the typed copy. Be sure the notes have the exact information the handwritten notes have or the judge may throw them out. Let those you speak with know you want the meter maids to testify, and complete any paperwork that may be needed to ensure they appear. If you can, prior to court, ask the meter maids if they have encountered similar situations where the bike owner claimed to have left their bike parked legally, and if yes, approximately how many times. This might require waiting for them to come down your street and talking with them, or going to where they work and striking up a conversation. Subpoena any that have seen this before, which will require getting their names. If they have seen similar situations, be sure to bring this up in court. This will help the judge see that what happened to you is not a rare incident, and it builds credibility for your case. If they haven't, their testimony isn't going to help you and you will probably want to release them from appearing in court well before the court date.


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You're welcome. Just a logical approach to the situation. Be sure to contact the appropriate authorities and get a court date. You probably have a limited time to pay the fine and if you don't request a court date well before the fine is due, you will be in a poor position to fight it. Confirm with those you contact that indicating you are going to fight this will negate paying the ticket before the judge makes a decision. Write down the date, time, name of the person(s) you speak with, and what was discussed. Try to make your writing legible as you may need this information to refute an inaccurate statement that may come up. In some jurisdictions, only original notes are allowed, so don't type it up unless your writing is only legible to you. In that case, do type the notes, but keep the original notes and take them to court in case the judge wants to compare them with the typed copy. Be sure the notes have the exact information the handwritten notes have or the judge may throw them out. Let those you speak with know you want the meter maids to testify, and complete any paperwork that may be needed to ensure they appear. If you can, prior to court, ask the meter maids if they have encountered similar situations where the bike owner claimed to have left their bike parked legally, and if yes, approximately how many times. This might require waiting for them to come down your street and talking with them, or going to where they work and striking up a conversation. Subpoena any that have seen this before, which will require getting their names. If they have seen similar situations, be sure to bring this up in court. This will help the judge see that what happened to you is not a rare incident, and it builds credibility for your case. If they haven't, their testimony isn't going to help you and you will probably want to release them from appearing in court well before the court date.
I can dispute this ticket online. I may call now and give them my side of the story. There are two parking attendants who work at a garage right next to where I usually park and I've seen them quite a bit and they know I keep my bike around the area and they have seen the bike, so maybe I could have them sign a written or typed document stating that I always park there.

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Getting something positive in writing from the parking attendants would be an excellent thing to have. If you can dispute the ticket online, do not give your side of the story verbally. The person you speak to probably hears many such stories every day and will be inclined to dismiss you as an irate violator that got caught parking illegally. Instead, put it in writing and save the document. Look at it again in a day and make any changes you think it needs. If you are so inclined, post a draft here and you will have a slew of editors that can provide independent input.

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