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post #11 of 48 Old 05-28-2011, 01:50 PM
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Hi Flitecontrol,

You have me a bit concerned. My husband and I are new to motorcycles and plan on taking our training course June 4th and 5th. I have a new 2009 Honda Rebel 250 and my husband has a used 2002 750 Vulcan. I don't want to see anything happen to my husband while starting out on the Vulcan. Is the Vulcan really dangerous for a beginner?
Many people start out on the 750 Vulcan. That said, IMO, and in the opinion of many more knowledgeable folks, new riders should not start out on bikes larger than 500cc displacement (Beginner Motorcycle Guide | Best Beginner Motorcycles, GOOD FIRST MOTORCYCLES, Cruisers).

The Vulcan 750 is a wicked fast bike for a cruiser, and in its day would beat pretty much any larger cruiser in the 1/4 mile. Even those with more than twice it's displacement! It will slap your teeth down your throat if you aren't careful with the throttle. And in so doing may slap you to the ground as well! So it isn't as forgiving as a smaller, lighter, bike with less horsepower.

If he hasn't found it already, he needs to check out VN750.com.
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post #12 of 48 Old 05-28-2011, 03:54 PM
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I agree with Flight... it is not wise to start off on too big a bike, especially a bike with plenty of torque... It takes a bit of practice to get the whole releasing the clutch and rolling the throttle just so for a smooth and safe take off.. On a bigger bike, it is not as forgiving if you give to much throttle.. you will take off.. it is also going to make learning to ride not as enjoyable as on a smaller displacement bike... I had a friend who got talked into a 650 V-Star for his first bike.. he fell in love with it and decided to go for it.. after a couple weeks he was feeling pretty comfortable with it and had about 200 miles on it... then at a stop light he gave it a bit too much throttle and took off then tried to slow before hitting the car in front but was unsuccessful.. he was not injured too bad, just some scrapes and bruises, and the bike actually came out of it better than I would of thought it would.. however, the incident tainted his motorcycle riding experiences and he ended up letting the bike sit for two years and then sold it for less than he paid and took a big loss..

I have a larger bike and I am an experienced rider.. there are times when the horsepower almost gets away from me... the difference from that happening now as an experienced rider, then back when I was learning to ride is that I have had plenty of experience in handling a bike, some reflexes, like braking and all have become quick and natural.. and I have more confidence and comfort on a bike in all sorts of situations.. as a new rider, you have more nervousness and can over react.. from too much throttle to to much brake... the bigger the bike the bigger the brakes.. my Virago has dual front brakes.. squeeze to hard and watch out...

I am not trying to scare you.. there are those who learned on bigger bikes and did well with no mishaps or accidents.. but I know if I was taking up high wire I would start a little closer to the ground and go up as I develop the skills.. Or I wouldn't learn to ride horses by jumping on a large thorough bred race horse.. and I didn't learn to swim by jumping into the deep end....
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I have ridden bikes for many years, 1500cc being the largest. My husband has just recently finished his Motorcycle riding school. His buddies at work influnced him into purchasing a 750 Shadow Areo, that I love. He lost control several times, dropped it often and eventually became scared to ride.I knew that if I didn't do something I would lose my riding partner, so I talked him into buying a 250 Rebel. He loves it. Now we both ride together(I purchased a 250 also, so that we could ride together), and I have the 750 to ride also. One day I think he will want a larger bike when he gains more riding experience, but we will never part with our beloved 250's
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The 250 is a Coolride too. It is FUN and LIGHT and EASY and SIMPLE and ECONOMICAL and RUNS and runs and runs and runs.. You have finally graduated to a Rebel.. Take your time and explore the wonders of the most discarded bike made by Honda. The Dealers have fed the American rider the lie that bigger is better, but in this case, smaller has saved a riding partner from not wanting to be by your side. Ask yourself why. and then re-read this response to your post.. Could it be the Rebel is the perfect solution? Perhaps even the perfect Motorcycle? and all of the others have a greater cost attached while having lost something of its value?

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i too am new to riding

I have to agree that the rebel's speed is a major factor in my buying one I am new to riding and having never been on a motorcycle before I bought mine. I have to say getting over the fact that I have nothing around me for protection took some time and I have gotten mine up to 60mph and am not having any trouble taking off at red lights or four way stops.
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post #16 of 48 Old 03-07-2017, 03:53 PM
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Hello> I just purchased my 2007 Honda Rebel. Still learning how to ride her. Stall out a few times, wondering what I am doing wrong
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Welcome to the forum.

The key to avoid stalling is to feather the clutch while keeping the rpms up. The clutch on a motorcycle is a wet clutch running in oil, and it is meant to be slipped. You need to practice finding the engagement point and holding the clutch lever at that point barely engaging and barely disengaging while you slowly and smoothly start off. You can have the engine running very fast and still go very slow by slipping the clutch. Most newbies stall by letting out the clutch completely too quickly, which causes the bike to lurch, then stall.

I recommend that you sign up for a beginner rider course to learn the right habits.
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As noted, the purpose of ALL clutches is to allow some slippage in the drive train so power is not an ON or OFf thing. When the clutch is slipping you allow Torque to be transmitted without all the RPMs the engine is turning.
The so called "friction point" of the clutch is where the clutch starts to engage and is applying some torque to the back wheel before there is any movement of the bike. At that point you need to open the throttle a little to make some power available and then continue to engage the clutch slowly as you pull away. The opening of the throttle to a fast idle speed is the difference beteen pulling away smoothly like you mean it or stalling like a rookie.. Work on coordinating clutch and throttle and don't be afraid to make a little noise with the engine.
The bike should move a couple of bike lengths before you fully release the clutch lever, and remember pulling the clutch in stops all the driving force if you feel you are going too fast. The clutch is the key to control.
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One other thought, as a still wet behind the ears newbie, I've occasionally stalled because I didn't double check I had down-shifted all the way to 1st to start from a stand still. D'OH!
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The clutch is the key to control.
This is the most important point and can't be emphasized enough.

In a car with an automatic transmission, you are used to the controlling launch and speed with the throttle only, because the auto transmission provides the slip, and allows the smooth transition of power to movement.

On a bike, you have to manually provide that smooth transition by feathering, or slipping, or gradually engaging the clutch. The throttle becomes completely secondary, and the main requirement is that you provide enough throttle not to stall. There is no real disadvantage to providing more throttle than needed, or racing the engine, as long as you are still controlling the clutch. The throttle can be wide open, and the bike will still not move until you engage the clutch, and you can still start very slowly even with the throttle wide open. Now that is an extreme case, but it is much more preferable to have too much throttle, and control launch speed with the clutch, than to have too little throttle, and stall the engine.

Just keep controlling the clutch during launch until you have the speed and throttle matched, and you are well underway. Most newbies try to engage the clutch too quickly, and seem to want to get it completely engaged as soon as possible. Have patience. Just keep feathering it until you are sure that you're smoothly underway, and you will have no problems.

Practice barely getting the bike to start to try to roll, and then getting it to stop trying to roll by using the clutch only, without ever letting the clutch completely out or pulling it completely in, and you will quickly develop a feel for the engagement point.
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