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post #11 of 55 Old 10-21-2019, 11:20 PM Thread Starter
 
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Thanks for the topic change!

I have a dent on the right side of mine.
I will be sliding the turn signals down the forks to make room for the windshield.
I scored a used OEM Harley windshield for $30.
The plexiglas was scratched but I polished out most of the scratches.

I have wondered if I could add the rubber flex mounts from the rear signals to the front signals. That might cut down on dents and such.
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For anyone subscribing to "crash bar vs engine guard eras", allow me to submit exhibit B from the Hurt Report of that same era...specifically #39:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...he_Hurt_Report

Sadly they (don't) work both ways.

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Crash bars are not an effective injury countermeasure; the reduction of injury to the ankle-foot is balanced by increase of injury to the thigh-upper leg, knee, and lower leg.

"Ride Safe, Chop Safer" Motorcycles are not unsafe. However; they are extremely unforgiving of inattention, incompetence, ignorance, and stupidity.
Dismantling, sawzalling, and rattle canning does not make a bobber.
Those are STEPS toward customizing, not customizing unto itself.
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You may want to consider putting the front turn signals from a first generation Rebel on your second generation bike. They are mounted higher and are less likely to hit the tank in a drop. Can't remember if it takes any other mods to make it work, but if it does, someone here will explain.

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You may want to consider putting the front turn signals from a first generation Rebel on your second generation......
Thanks, I will look into that.


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For anyone subscribing to "crash bar vs engine guard eras".....................
I appreciate your advice and I am sorry for your injury.
My engine/crash bar or whatever we label it is staying on my bike. I am too old and too stubborn to change my mind.

If I get a few moments I may look over that report, although I am am old enough to know to take reports and statistics with a grain of salt.

I am on enough blood thinners that a broken ankle won't matter to me. In a crash bad enough to bend the crash bar, I will bleed to death. That is the fact about me deciding to ride a bike. That is the danger that I face every time I lift a leg over the seat.

The bar is on there to keep damage to a minimum and make it easier to pick up when I drop it in a parking space or gas station. Nothing more, nothing less.

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The Hurt report is the most comprehensive motorcycle study ever conducted, that looked at thousands of crashes . The investigators were riders, and lots of good information came from it. Here's a direct link to the findings: "The Hurt Report"

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Thanks,
I did read the short version on the Wiki page.

Statistics are like any written media. The reader must read the entire thing any filter the results through that in order for them to be relevant.
People picking and choosing what sentence to promote can twist facts. Politicians and religious zealots have been doing that for centuries.

Not to diminish the report in any way, but the reader needs to consider, when the study was done, the difference in equipment between then and now, who did the study, why they did the study, where they did the study. etc.. etc.
I took a course a while back called "Reading it right". It taught me how to read something and look at the big picture of it all. Great course that I recommend for all.

The Hurt report may be 100% accurate. I don't know for sure one way or the other. I know that automobiles and motorcycles are different now from what they were 40 years ago. Cars are a lot different and motorcycles now have headlights on continuously. How much do those 2 facts change the statistics from 40 years ago?
I have no idea.

It also states that alcohol is a major contributor to motorcycle accidents. I do not drink so how does that change the statistics for me?

I drove school bus for 17 years and I was taught to drive extremely safely even while being distracted. Does that change the statistics for me? Once again, I have no idea.

Those reports are important and do expose possible problems that we as riders need to be very aware of. I however will not base my decisions on that report alone.

In the 50's, 60's and 70's marijuana was condemned as an evil drug. People were arrested and jailed for using it. Now in 2019 is is a wonder drug. How many studies can we find from those decades that are convincing that pot is evil?

My thoughts are to consider the entire picture before following anything blindly.

The short version of the Hurt report basically states that with a crashbar, a rider will get injured in a different body part compared to without a crashbar. But what are the degree of injuries? Are non crashbar victims getting minor scratches compared to severed limbs of crashbar victims? I need the entire picture to make an informed decision.

I researched the facts as I could find them.
I thought about my personal health situation and skill set.
I researched the equipment involved.
Based on that criteria I chose the install the chrome whatever bar on the front of my motorcycle.

I do not condemn or recommend any one follow my choice. They need to evaluate their own conditions and make an informed decision based on that information.

One of my sources of information was a previous post by Shadowshack condemning crashbars. That post did get me to buy the strongest possible bar that I could find.
I am grateful for his post and information.
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Not to diminish the report in any way, but the reader needs to consider, when the study was done, the difference in equipment between then and now, who did the study, why they did the study, where they did the study. etc.. etc.
Which is exactly why I posted that one as well...the study was conducted from 1976-81 and you said your bar is from a 77 CB750.

Yeah, the study does not provide much in the way of details. Still, "relocating the injuries" really isn't an inspiring statement, blanketed as it may be.

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One of my sources of information was a previous post by Shadowshack condemning crashbars. That post did get me to buy the strongest possible bar that I could find.
I am grateful for his post and information.
Happy to provide the insight.

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Just to throw the details out in the open (for those who haven't seen it, or again for those who have ) ---

My incident entailed a mini-guard that barely extended beyond the footpegs, it was an early 90's product before the industry started using plated copper tubing (or at least that's about how durable the current crap is). I would have to speculate that material integrity was somewhere in the middle of these two eras. It folded over and pinned my foot to the peg.

> The bike weighed 600 pounds.

> I weighed 200 pounds.

> Together we had 800 pounds worth of mass factored into the momentum of the resulting slide and impact.

> My injuries were a dislocated shoulder and hip along with a sprained wrist and ankle. Road rash was minimal due to gear.

> The folding engine guard/crash bar (whatever nomenclature anyone wishes to tag it with) punctured the radiator which was otherwise safely sandwiched between a pair of frame tubes and never would have been damaged otherwise as the forks were intact (i.e. no front wheel collapsing into it). I'm convinced that if I was not on the bike and the guard folded the lower case cover would have been rashed.

> Separate, the bike would have cleared a path for me (i.e. me with 1/3 the momentum of the bike) and my injuries would have been less severe. The bike probably would not have impacted at the end either.


In the end it caused more harm --- both to myself and the machine --- than what would have transpired without it.

"Ride Safe, Chop Safer" Motorcycles are not unsafe. However; they are extremely unforgiving of inattention, incompetence, ignorance, and stupidity.
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I polished the scratches out of the used windshield I bought.
It is an OEM off some unknown Harley. Has the DOT stamp in the lower corner.

Turned out pretty good. This is what I did.

800 grit
1500 grit
2000 grit
Then buffed with polishing compound and an electric buffer.
Polishing compound made for plastic worked the best.

Now to adapt it to fit. I think a few rubber strips might be all I need.
I will need to lower the front signals, or maybe raise them to the first gen location which is mounted on the handlebar risers.

I got it inspected today, so now I can tweak things a bit.
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The Hurt report may be 100% accurate. I don't know for sure one way or the other. I know that automobiles and motorcycles are different now from what they were 40 years ago. Cars are a lot different and motorcycles now have headlights on continuously. How much do those 2 facts change the statistics from 40 years ago?
I have no idea.

I would say it was 100% accurate for the period it surveyed, and some things haven't changed. As the report brought out, most bike/cage collisions are the result of the cager not seeing the motorcyclist. Motorcycles weren't required to have automatically on headlights until 1979. High visibility riding gear was uncommon until the last couple of decades, but many riders don't/won't use it. Cars, motorcycles and driver habits have changed. Some for the better, some much worse. There are a lot more distracted (get off the @#!%$ phone people!) drivers these days. Most of the potentially dangerous situations I see while riding or driving involve people looking at their phones, not the road. I'm always on the alert for drivers with their heads down.

It also states that alcohol is a major contributor to motorcycle accidents. I do not drink so how does that change the statistics for me?

It greatly improves the odds of you not being in an accident, as does wearing high visibility clothing, taking a basic rider course, and many of the other avoidable findings in the report. Anyone that drinks and operates a vehicle, whether bicycle, motorcycle or cage, is a thoughtless, self centered, fool IMO.

I drove school bus for 17 years and I was taught to drive extremely safely even while being distracted. Does that change the statistics for me? Once again, I have no idea.

Being a safe rider requires a much higher level of situational awareness than driving. Riders and drivers more attuned to what's going on around them will avoid hazards others overlook until it's too late. A fender bender in a cage isn't much of a problem. On a bike, it can be life threatening/changing or send you to the morgue


Those reports are important and do expose possible problems that we as riders need to be very aware of. I however will not base my decisions on that report alone.

In the 50's, 60's and 70's marijuana was condemned as an evil drug. People were arrested and jailed for using it. Now in 2019 is is a wonder drug. How many studies can we find from those decades that are convincing that pot is evil?

While it may be legal, marijuana is still an intoxicant.
Just like alcohol or other drugs, buzzed drivers are a hazard to themselves and others. Opium use was legal and common many years ago. But we've learned a lot about the ramifications of using it since then.


My thoughts are to consider the entire picture before following anything blindly.

The short version of the Hurt report basically states that with a crashbar, a rider will get injured in a different body part compared to without a crashbar. But what are the degree of injuries? Are non crashbar victims getting minor scratches compared to severed limbs of crashbar victims? I need the entire picture to make an informed decision.

I researched the facts as I could find them.
I thought about my personal health situation and skill set.
I researched the equipment involved.
Based on that criteria I chose the install the chrome whatever bar on the front of my motorcycle.

I do not condemn or recommend any one follow my choice. They need to evaluate their own conditions and make an informed decision based on that information.

One of my sources of information was a previous post by Shadowshack condemning crashbars. That post did get me to buy the strongest possible bar that I could find.
I am grateful for his post and information.
Suggested viewing, post #3 here: https://www.hondarebelforum.com/f75/...ts-122305.html

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Now to adapt it to fit. I think a few rubber strips might be all I need.
I found that 1/8" rubber belting was ideal for fitting the 1" footpeg brackets onto my 7/8" engine guard.

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