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post #11 of 19 Old 05-31-2019, 12:36 PM
 
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Very impressive video though that'll never be my riding style.

Some of the dangers flitecontrol mentioned led me away from mountain biking. The gel gloves were the only thing that kept me from needing orthopedic wrist surgery.

He's right go very slowly on this. Do not fear the lean, but let it come naturally.
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post #12 of 19 Old 06-01-2019, 12:02 PM
 
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NIce to hear of your first hour-long ride. Good for you.

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Thanks. I just broke the 4k mark on the odo, which I think is one of the maintenance periods.



I noticed vibration the day after that ride and saw this gap on the rubber front engine mount. I re-torqued this, but it made no difference. I have motor mounts and a new nut 'n' bolt on order.
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Good to hear.

You counter steered every time you moved the bike, whether for a minor lane adjustment or negotiating a turn.
Indeed, I got another chance yesterday to get down to the hwy. I paid very careful attention to the bends and I could feel that input, but it is rather subtle.

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post #15 of 19 Old 06-05-2019, 05:20 PM
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Yes, and most counter steering is done without conscious thought, which is how it should be. The lighter the bike, generally the less effort is required to steer. Detecting counter steering on a bicycle can be difficult because so little input is needed.

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you don't need the skill unless you really need it.
Kinda like using toilet paper lol. Sorry.....03:00 humor


This is what happens when you panic and forget what counter steering is and how to use it. Look how many times he makes the same HUGE mistake. Please, no one be like this guy.


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That sports bike rider violated the 2nd rule, always expect something to be right where you can't see it. Take EVERY curve at a slow enough speed where you have plenty of time to comfortably and calmly come to a complete stop within your line of sight; for the stalled car in the middle of your lane just sitting a smidge beyond your limit of view, a deer carcass sprawled across your lane, a traffic jam and the last car is just 'right there', etc.

the first rule, of course, is never outride the envelope of the conditions and your skill level.


the first 3 ways the handbook describes 'countersteering' doesn't always click the magic button for all riders, that's why there are many more ways to describe it. eventually one you read/hear or invent for yourself will be the right one and the neuromotor mnemonic will click for you.


I got my license 3 years ago, I was there where you are not doing curves so well. I had NO PROBLEM holding up traffic and taking curves at the speed the little yellow warning signs displayed, being in control and safe and not crashing were more important.


I like the term counter-pressure better than countersteering. A basic fact is the front wheel has to point to the right to turn right, it has to point to the left to turn left. the bike wants to to go straight, and any lean will cause it to want to make a sharp turn and then stand up to go straight. (search youtube for motorcycle without a rider)

You are countering that by restraining the front wheel to only a tiny bit of turn, applying pressure counter to what the front wheel wants to do, to limit the angle to a smaller one and make it a long graceful curve instead.

i.e. in a right turn the front wheel might want to turn 30, you are "countering" that back to only 5

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It looks like the rider in the video, in addition to not riding within his skill and road conditions, panicked when he saw the truck. Had he leaned the bike over rather than stand the bike up and brake, I think he would have avoided the accident.

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I got my license 3 years ago, I was there where you are not doing curves so well. I had NO PROBLEM holding up traffic and taking curves at the speed the little yellow warning signs displayed, being in control and safe and not crashing were more important.


I like the term counter-pressure better than countersteering. A basic fact is the front wheel has to point to the right to turn right, it has to point to the left to turn left. the bike wants to to go straight, and any lean will cause it to want to make a sharp turn and then stand up to go straight. (search youtube for motorcycle without a rider)

You are countering that by restraining the front wheel to only a tiny bit of turn, applying pressure counter to what the front wheel wants to do, to limit the angle to a smaller one and make it a long graceful curve instead.

i.e. in a right turn the front wheel might want to turn 30, you are "countering" that back to only 5
Yup, had a pickup just the other day climbing all over my rear. He was obviously not happy I was taking the bends @ 15-20. I pulled off the road, let him pass, don't need that.

And thanks, for me that is the perfect description of what's going on. I prefer the term high speed maneuvering, but that's just me.

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