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post #11 of 20 Old 07-07-2015, 11:10 AM Thread Starter
 
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Although some of you said it wasn't needed, I went ahead and added the proper amount of the hi end lucas fuel additive when I filled up. 1 OZ for 3 Gallons was the measurement, when it said you needed 5.25 OZ for up to 15 gallons on the label...

Also something else. It seems like if my choke is set a little higher than base then I don't have this sputtering problem. It could be related to electrical or something, but I really think it has to do with the air filter and the carbs... Hopefully the Lucas does the trick !!

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Yeah don't add anything to gas. This bike is carbureted, not fuel injected. There's only really two reasons why it would act that way. 1) the carb is gummed/clogged up with debris from crappy air filter setup (lol @ duck tape) 2) the fuel/air mixture is off.


I would first check that you have the proper air filter installed and that there are no gaps in the housing, gasket areas. Make sure there are no tears in the paper. Take it off and physically look inside to make sure its not gummed up. If that's all good then empty the tank and put in a gallon of fresh high octane gas. If that doesn't help its time to clean the carb. This is all assuming someone didn't rejet the carb at some point. That's another conversation entirely.

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If you've gone to a pod or other aftermarket filter, you probably need to increase jet size. The "choke" is a fuel enrichment device which dumps more fuel into the air/fuel mix. Sounds like it is being used to mimic what a larger jet would do. IMO, you could probably substitute urine for the Lucas gas treatment and get similar results. I used some in the truck, which was due for injector cleaning, and saw no improvement in mileage. Used another fuel system cleaner and the results were immediate.

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Yeah don't add anything to gas. This bike is carbureted, not fuel injected. There's only really two reasons why it would act that way. 1) the carb is gummed/clogged up with debris from crappy air filter setup (lol @ duck tape) 2) the fuel/air mixture is off.


I would first check that you have the proper air filter installed and that there are no gaps in the housing, gasket areas. Make sure there are no tears in the paper. Take it off and physically look inside to make sure its not gummed up. If that's all good then empty the tank and put in a gallon of fresh high octane gas. If that doesn't help its time to clean the carb. This is all assuming someone didn't rejet the carb at some point. That's another conversation entirely.
The thing is I just had the carbs cleaned less than a month ago, when I first got the bike before the air filter problem. You really think that much build up could occur in a couple of weeks? The air filter is on correctly and brand new from Jack's Rebel.

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If you've gone to a pod or other aftermarket filter, you probably need to increase jet size. The "choke" is a fuel enrichment device which dumps more fuel into the air/fuel mix. Sounds like it is being used to mimic what a larger jet would do. IMO, you could probably substitute urine for the Lucas gas treatment and get similar results. I used some in the truck, which was due for injector cleaning, and saw no improvement in mileage. Used another fuel system cleaner and the results were immediate.
It was 5 bucks... It was worth a shot.

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My thoughts exactly when I bought it. Live and learn, won't do it again. I've had a lot of lessons that cost a lot more!

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Yeah don't add anything to gas. This bike is carbureted, not fuel injected. There's only really two reasons why it would act that way. 1) the carb is gummed/clogged up with debris from crappy air filter setup (lol @ duck tape) 2) the fuel/air mixture is off.


I would first check that you have the proper air filter installed and that there are no gaps in the housing, gasket areas. Make sure there are no tears in the paper. Take it off and physically look inside to make sure its not gummed up. If that's all good then empty the tank and put in a gallon of fresh high octane gas. If that doesn't help its time to clean the carb. This is all assuming someone didn't rejet the carb at some point. That's another conversation entirely.
This might be a n00bie question but how would I empty out the fuel? I went ahead and filled up with Silver grade gas, and with the like less than 1 oz of Lucas additive, which I guess is worthless but I thought worth a shot.

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Well you can either run it out by driving (not recommended) or you can pull the line off the carb and drain it into a gas can. Or also you could drain it out of the fuel shut off switch but I wouldn't recommend it.

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High octane gas won't hurt the Rebel, and neither will the Lucas. But they aren't going to improve performance either, just further drain your wallet. Honda recommends 87 octane, and that's what should be used. If you read the service manual, that information is probably in there. http://www.hondarebelforum.com/f12/w...use-53362.html I ride a lot and have no problems with gasohol.

Do I remember correctly that you had the carbs cleaned and it ran well? Did you install an inline fuel filter? If not, go ahead and do that asap. It's cheap insurance that any contaminants in the tank won't get to the carbs. http://www.hondarebelforum.com/f39/h...ter-13278.html

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I agree that higher octane gas wont solve your problem. The reason I recommend high octane is because it has a less chance of being contaminated with water or particles. That's just from my personal experience. It's a good way to rule out bad gas right off the bat. To answer your question yes, your carburetor can get plugged up pretty quickly if you get even the smallest amount of gunk in there from bad gas or it could be water in the gas that is diluting the fuel mixture and causing a lack of combustion at low throttle. Personally I'd check the gas first and if that's not it I would almost bet money its running lean and there's probably an air leak your not seeing. Does the problem get any better/worse after it warms up for 10-20 mins?

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