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post #1 of 56 Old 10-06-2018, 10:13 PM Thread Starter
 
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Clutch Slipping - No Ummph (Power) on '14 Rebel 250

My wife's rebel broke down today on us. It's been determined the clutch is slipping. We've determined the clutch adjustments/cabling is all is place and adjusted correctly.

It's a 2014 with only 765 total miles. Approx. 400 miles ago I changed the oil as it had never been changed since purchased. We're the new owner; had it a month now.

I put in Mobil 1 Advanced Full Synthetic, 4-cycle motorcycle oil, 10W-40 w/ no additives.

The bike has been running fine for nearly 400 miles since the oil change, but now we have a clutch slipping problem and major loss of power in 1st and 2nd gears. It won't go into 3rd gear. Can't go uphill in 1st gear; won't budge.

Any ideas on where to start? Like I stated, this is practically a new bike as the previous owner rode it little due to medical issues.

Thanks in advance for your help!
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post #2 of 56 Old 10-06-2018, 11:51 PM
 
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Typically when a clutch starts slipping, you need to change out the friction plates in the clutch. This is a 3-400$ job if dealer does it for you.
Mobil says its 4T Racing 10W40 and the V twin 20W50 are approved for motorcycle use with a wet clutch. Other types may not be OK unless the bike is a dry clutch type like many BMW's are.

If your oil is the proper type for wet clutches, slippage can also be caused by not having enough slack in the clutch cable which keeps the clutch partially released all the time and will eventually cause enough wear to make the clutch slip.

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Typically when a clutch starts slipping, you need to change out the friction plates in the clutch. This is a 3-400$ job if dealer does it for you.
Mobil says its 4T Racing 10W40 and the V twin 20W50 are approved for motorcycle use with a wet clutch. Other types may not be OK unless the bike is a dry clutch type like many BMW's are.

If your oil is the proper type for wet clutches, slippage can also be caused by not having enough slack in the clutch cable which keeps the clutch partially released all the time and will eventually cause enough wear to make the clutch slip.
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Thanks for the reply Duckster ... yikes, changing out friction plates with so few miles (under 1,000); hope not.

The oil I put in a while back is Mobil 1, racing 4T - 10W-40, and as you noted, it is supposed to be OK for the Rebel, since it does not have the additives and is suited for wet clutch. We've riden ~400 care-free miles since that oil change.

I've had two (2) motorcycle-mechanically inclined individuals check and adjust clutch cable slack, etc., but no positive results

Maybe the problem is the friction plates like you mentioned, but again surprised by that with like 765 total miles on the bike...then again, we live in an imperfect world so things can happen.

Thank you again,
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Is it possible the PO changed the oil and used the wrong type?

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Is it possible the PO changed the oil and used the wrong type?
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??? Sorry, I don't understand your question.

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I was wondering if it was possible the oil was changed with the wrong oil prior to you purchasing it, but reading the whole thread, it looks like you bought it new, correct? In which case, the correct oil should have always been in the engine.

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I was wondering if it was possible the oil was changed with the wrong oil prior to you purchasing it, but reading the whole thread, it looks like you bought it new, correct? In which case, the correct oil should have always been in the engine.
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No, we did not buy it new; it had the from-factory oil in it from the dealership up until I bought it in late Aug timeframe. The previous owner had never changed it.

If it had been working for approx. 400 miles with seemingly no issue, then I would think the oil would not be an issue, but I'm not a mechanic and defer to you and others on the forum with more knowledge than I.

I'm clueless at this point AND REALLY beginning to dislike this bike. A number of us keep fiddling with the clutch cable adjustment, but little to no help.

Guess it's time to take it to the shop ... groan. No warranty left.

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Did I goof something up (i.e., the clutch) by putting in Mobil 1 Advanced Full Synthetic, 4-cycle motorcycle oil; the Racing 4T, 10W-40 brand? It reads it's good for engine, transmission and wet clutch primary and I see no mention of any energy conserving additives or the like. I'm pretty sure I read on the forum that this oil was good to go.

Is it worth a shot to try a different oil now and what would you recommend that you know works...not trying to turn this into an oil thread.

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You did nothing wrong by putting motorcycle oil in it. I messed up the clutch on my first Rebel by using the wrong oil. It took less than 1,000 miles before the clutch began to slip, beginning in the higher gears. I tried the correct oil and solvents in the crankcase. None of them worked, and I had to pull the clutch and replace the fiber plates.

If adjusting the clutch lever hasn't fixed the problem, I suspect the clutch will need to be repaired. If you have an independent repair shop nearby, they often charge less and do equally good, or better quality work than a dealership. Doing the work yourself isn't too difficult. There are several threads here explaining how members rebuilt their clutches. It takes a certain size bolt and a special tool (which can be bought or fashioned from the correct size socket) to remove the lock nut. Both are described in the threads. In addition to new fiber plates, you'll also need a new lock nut and right side cover gasket.

We had one member whose Rebel was his first bike. The dealership didn't adjust the clutch cable properly before selling it to him. Not knowing any better, he rode it like that until the clutch wore and it began to slip. Fortunately, after a lot of arguing, the dealer agreed to fix it. These engines are just about bullet proof, and if you can get past this issue, I predict you will come to appreciate it for what it is; a small, dependable, nimble bike that is easy to maintain.

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You did nothing wrong by putting motorcycle oil in it. I messed up the clutch on my first Rebel by using the wrong oil. It took less than 1,000 miles before the clutch began to slip, beginning in the higher gears. I tried the correct oil and solvents in the crankcase. None of them worked, and I had to pull the clutch and replace the fiber plates.

If adjusting the clutch lever hasn't fixed the problem, I suspect the clutch will need to be repaired. If you have an independent repair shop nearby, they often charge less and do equally good, or better quality work than a dealership. Doing the work yourself isn't too difficult. There are several threads here explaining how members rebuilt their clutches. It takes a certain size bolt and a special tool (which can be bought or fashioned from the correct size socket) to remove the lock nut. Both are described in the threads. In addition to new fiber plates, you'll also need a new lock nut and right side cover gasket.

We had one member whose Rebel was his first bike. The dealership didn't adjust the clutch cable properly before selling it to him. Not knowing any better, he rode it like that until the clutch wore and it began to slip. Fortunately, after a lot of arguing, the dealer agreed to fix it. These engines are just about bullet proof, and if you can get past this issue, I predict you will come to appreciate it for what it is; a small, dependable, nimble bike that is easy to maintain.

Oh, and War Eagle!
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Thanks "BUT" with only 765 total miles on the bike... the clutch may already be shot? I know I'm asking you something you can't answer ... seems really odd. My wife has not "ridden the clutch."

Any idea (yes, I'm fishing now) as to what might have caused it, so we can possibility prevent this form happening again in approx. 700 miles?

Maybe I'm answering my own question based on what's been mentioned herein: assume if oil was wrong for bike and/or clutch cable miss-adjusted. That about sum it up?

Thanks,
David

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