Been lurking for a few weeks... - Honda Rebel Forum
 8Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 16 Old 05-12-2019, 09:31 PM Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 7
Been lurking for a few weeks...

Hi all!

Recently purchased a 2000 Rebel 250 to learn some riding skills on, and will be taking the MSF beginning rider course as soon as possible. I live in a warmer area and the last course for the summer is at the end of this month, but I am unavailable that weekend. Bummer!

I have been lurking around the forum for a few weeks soaking up tons of information, and have really appreciated having a great resource to pull knowledge from.

Thanks!
Gage Chapman is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 16 Old 05-12-2019, 09:39 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Monroe, Louisiana
Posts: 27,272
Welcome. If you teach yourself to ride before taking the course, I can pretty well guarantee you will pick up some bad habits you will need to unlearn. I did. Plus, you will be riding without already learning the basics, which means your chances for having an accident are increased.

Have you checked to see if they will accept stand-by applicants if there are some no-shows for the other courses? There are usually a few that fail to show every time.
kryton and Nardospark like this.

Keepin' all the left over parts. Gonna use 'em to build another bike!

'01 & '09 Rebel 250, '06 Ninja 250, '89 VN 750
Putting your bike year and model in your signature helps others help you!
Here's how: https://www.hondarebelforum.com/f19/...re-121087.html
flitecontrol is online now  
post #3 of 16 Old 05-12-2019, 09:48 PM Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 7
yeah, I called and asked about the standby. There was one this weekend, but they said the standby list was 7 or 8 people so it wasn't likely. I got my name on the list, but never got a call about it. The weekend I can't go already has 8 or so people on the list, as it is memorial day weekend. I would get on that list anyway, but I can't be there. I am going to keep watching to see if any more classes pop up, but if not, it won't be until December or January.

Instead, I have just been watching a lot of videos to learn a lot of great skills. DanDanTheFireman on YouTube has been absolutely incredible to watch, as has MotoJitsu. I have learned quite a bit from these channels as far as bad habits to avoid, and I think it is helping. Learning lots about counter steering and low speed maneuvers while making sure to keep feet up.

Hopefully I can get to a class sooner rather than later, but if not I suppose that will have to do for now.
Gage Chapman is offline  
 
post #4 of 16 Old 05-12-2019, 11:47 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Monroe, Louisiana
Posts: 27,272
IMO, too many "experts" over emphasize counter steering. To listen to them, counter steering is a difficult, almost mystical, skill to master. If someone knows how to ride a bicycle, they know how to counter steer. It's as simple as that. To lead a new rider to assume that they need to consciously think about how to steer does them a disservice. Steering should be automatic so there is no delay in doing it in an emergency situation. That's why knowing how to ride a bicycle is about the only prerequisite for taking the basic rider course.

I'm not familiar with the videos you mentioned, but know that not everyone who makes a Youtube video is an expert. Some of them actually promote poor riding skills.
Nardospark likes this.

Keepin' all the left over parts. Gonna use 'em to build another bike!

'01 & '09 Rebel 250, '06 Ninja 250, '89 VN 750
Putting your bike year and model in your signature helps others help you!
Here's how: https://www.hondarebelforum.com/f19/...re-121087.html
flitecontrol is online now  
post #5 of 16 Old 05-13-2019, 12:27 AM Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 7
Oh absolutely, I totally agree. I obviously don't take everything they say as God's word, but there is some good info in there. I think it is good to be concious about counter steering, if only at the beginning. I dont think about it constantly, but it has helped me immensely knowing what is happening while taking a turn. It is interesting to think about pushing through a turn rather than steering through a turn.

I have heard many people say that riding a motorcycle is just like riding a bike, but I feel differently about it. You can know how to balance on two wheels and what not, but I feel like there is a lot more direct steering involved in riding a bike. I never did ride my peddle bike above 15-20 miles an hour, but my motorcycle is above that speed consistently.

As an aside, I purchased a scooter a few years ago that I was trying to learn to ride, but never like riding it. The wheels were just to small and I always felt unstable and I didnt like the way you sit on them. Anyway, when I was trying to get my license at that point, i dont remember a whole lot of mention of counter steering or pushing through a turn in either the learner's permit test or the manual. However, this time around it almost felt like a theme in the book and test. Just thought it was interesting.

Either way, they are both MSF certified instructors and I feel like their instruction is better than none. I just want to get out and ride, and taking the course is not an option right now.

2000 Honda Rebel 250
Gage Chapman is offline  
post #6 of 16 Old 05-13-2019, 08:02 AM
 
kryton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 1,852
Garage
You didn't say where you are at, so I'm scratching my head a bit about "last course for the summer"...if the stand-by list is 8-10 deep for each class then there is enough students for them to add another class after memorial day weekend? there is not another place offering the course within an hour drive?


counter steering concept: the bike will want to straighten up on its own, the feeling of pushing against the inside of the turn is actually you holding it from turning sharper and standing up. Watch this unmanned bike, it wants to run straight ahead, each time they try to knock it over it reacts by turning and standing up straight again.

2009 Honda Rebel 250; 2009 Honda Shadow 750 Spirit
"The bravest thing for me to do is admit when I am wrong" - unknown
HRF Answer #1 You should take the MSF Rider Course
HRF Answer #2 You need to clean your carburetor
HRF Answer #3 Sorry we assumed if you didn't say otherwise
kryton is offline  
post #7 of 16 Old 05-13-2019, 07:21 PM
 
Nardospark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Ithaca, NY
Posts: 85
Someone on this forum recommended this book. I found a used copy on Ebay for $5. I pass along the recommendation but certainly not as a substitute for the MSF course. The author is David L. Hough, and the book title is: Proficient Motorcycling, The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well. (Bowtie Press). Best of Luck!
Gage Chapman likes this.

1986 Honda Rebel 250cc
Nardospark is offline  
post #8 of 16 Old 05-13-2019, 07:24 PM Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 7
Thank you!

Yes, I've heard that is a great one as well as Total Control by Lee Sparks. I plan on getting a copy of each and reading through them.

2000 Honda Rebel 250
Gage Chapman is offline  
post #9 of 16 Old 05-13-2019, 08:16 PM
 
kryton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 1,852
Garage
1) Never outride the envelope of your skill level and the weather conditions.
2) Always maintain 3+ stopping distances of clear view of the road ahead, expecting that next curve to have a deer carcass, spilled gravel, or stalled car, right where you just can't quite see it yet.
3) Predict what the vehicles around you could do, might do, are probably going to do, and adjust yourself. you know that car tailgating in the next lane is just itching to change lanes and pass them up, and likely without seeing you, back off and let them have it...
4) never be in a hurry on 2 wheels. if you can't relax, enjoy the ride, let the time be whatever it will be. If you are worried, in a hurry, concerned about being late, take a cage instead.
Gage Chapman likes this.

2009 Honda Rebel 250; 2009 Honda Shadow 750 Spirit
"The bravest thing for me to do is admit when I am wrong" - unknown
HRF Answer #1 You should take the MSF Rider Course
HRF Answer #2 You need to clean your carburetor
HRF Answer #3 Sorry we assumed if you didn't say otherwise
kryton is offline  
post #10 of 16 Old 05-13-2019, 09:09 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Monroe, Louisiana
Posts: 27,272
David Hough also has a second book, More Proficient Motorcycling. Lots of really good info in these books.

Keepin' all the left over parts. Gonna use 'em to build another bike!

'01 & '09 Rebel 250, '06 Ninja 250, '89 VN 750
Putting your bike year and model in your signature helps others help you!
Here's how: https://www.hondarebelforum.com/f19/...re-121087.html
flitecontrol is online now  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Honda Rebel Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (0 members and 2 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome