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post #11 of 16 Old 05-13-2019, 09:30 PM Thread Starter
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You didn't say where you are at, so I'm scratching my head a bit about "last course for the summer"...if the stand-by list is 8-10 deep for each class then there is enough students for them to add another class after memorial day weekend? there is not another place offering the course within an hour drive?


counter steering concept: the bike will want to straighten up on its own, the feeling of pushing against the inside of the turn is actually you holding it from turning sharper and standing up. Watch this unmanned bike, it wants to run straight ahead, each time they try to knock it over it reacts by turning and standing up straight again. https://youtu.be/kQ5hV-ESBd0
This video also brings up another point. I know that a lot of people's first reaction to something going wrong is to grab the clutch and brake and try to stop. That's when people drop their bikes. Both grabbing the clutch and brake cause you to lose traction in a turn, and only make the situation worse. I've heard "When in doubt, throttle it out." Now, that obviously doesn't apply to all situations, and some situations are only going to end with a bike on the ground. However, like in the video, a small amount of throttle can help you stabilize the bike and prevent you from going over as long as the situation is safe to do so and you won't end up goint into oncoming traffic or a wall.

Very interesting video, Thank you for sharing!
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post #12 of 16 Old 05-13-2019, 11:11 PM
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This video also brings up another point. I know that a lot of people's first reaction to something going wrong is to grab the clutch and brake and try to stop. That's when people drop their bikes. Both grabbing the clutch and brake cause you to lose traction in a turn, and only make the situation worse. I've heard "When in doubt, throttle it out." Now, that obviously doesn't apply to all situations, and some situations are only going to end with a bike on the ground. However, like in the video, a small amount of throttle can help you stabilize the bike and prevent you from going over as long as the situation is safe to do so and you won't end up goint into oncoming traffic or a wall.

Very interesting video, Thank you for sharing!
Most droped bikes are the result of poor technique or decision making on the rider's part. Grabbing too much front brake (something covered in the rider course) is the most common reason bikers claim they "Laid 'er down" to avoid a crash. I've even heard the false claim that "That's what you are supposed to do". Nothing could be farther from the truth. The rider shouldn't be going so fast in a turn that they cannot make the turn, or brake safely, or swerve to avoid a hazard. Most new riders don't know the bike's ability to make a turn usually exceeds what they think the bike can do. They think they are going to crash, get target fixation, and hit what they fixate on. Giving the bike throttle in a turn, especially on a bike more powerful than the Rebel 250, isn't going to increase a rider's ability to make the turn. Just the opposite is true. Shifting the rider's weight to the inside of the curve will tend to stand the bike up and make it easier to follow a safe line going through the curve. You may want to practice this in a parking lot to see.
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post #13 of 16 Old 05-16-2019, 11:37 PM Thread Starter
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Update with good news! There was another class added for the first weekend of June, so I'll be able to get in to a class earlier! Already signed up and just waiting for the class now.
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post #14 of 16 Old 05-17-2019, 12:13 AM
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Great! Think you'll find it informtive.

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post #15 of 16 Old 05-20-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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IMO, too many "experts" over emphasize counter steering. To listen to them, counter steering is a difficult, almost mystical, skill to master. If someone knows how to ride a bicycle, they know how to counter steer. It's as simple as that. To lead a new rider to assume that they need to consciously think about how to steer does them a disservice. Steering should be automatic so there is no delay in doing it in an emergency situation. That's why knowing how to ride a bicycle is about the only prerequisite for taking the basic rider course.

I'm not familiar with the videos you mentioned, but know that not everyone who makes a Youtube video is an expert. Some of them actually promote poor riding skills.
Too true man. Counting steering happens whether you know it or want it to or not. If you consciously act upon it the bike turns a little better, but not a lot IMO. I've handled my CBR600RR through wide mountain curves on steep 10-15% grades at speeds over 100 mph and whether I make a conscious effort or not to "counter steer" I still glide through the turn without killing myself. Doesn't really matter much.
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Too true man. Counting steering happens whether you know it or want it to or not. If you consciously act upon it the bike turns a little better, but not a lot IMO. I've handled my CBR600RR through wide mountain curves on steep 10-15% grades at speeds over 100 mph and whether I make a conscious effort or not to "counter steer" I still glide through the turn without killing myself. Doesn't really matter much.
I agree that counter steering happens no matter what. You're absolutely right. However, I had been riding and found turning at higher speeds to be unnerving at times. When someone explained how cornering worked and counter steering to me, it clicked and I found cornering to be much easier. Just knowing what was happening worked for me and made sense.

Also, I took the Beginner Rider eCourse last night as part of my MSF course, and that is literally the only thing they tell you about cornering. To press the handle bar in the direction you want to turn. Slow, look, press, roll.

Honestly, I feel like this whole counter steering thing has gotten out of control. I don't think it is some mystical thing, nor do I think it is something anyone has to think about. I only brought it up because it was something that stood out while I was learning about riding, and helped me understand a concept. I hardly ever think about it. There are thousands of other things I've learned from my research and am excited to take the practical portion of my MSF course.
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