The Diffference between the Rebel 250 and the Harley Sportster. - Honda Rebel Forum
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Old 08-01-2016, 11:42 PM Thread Starter
 
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The Diffference between the Rebel 250 and the Harley Sportster.

What is the difference between the two bikes?
Point one:
They both should be shifted at the same mph:
1st up-shift at 20 mph
2nd up-shift at 30
3rd up-shift at 40
4th up-shift at 50
5th up-shift at 60

Point two:
They should both downshift at the same MPH
at 40 mph drop to 4th gear
at 30 mph drop to 3rd gear
at 20 mph drop to 2nd gear
at 10 mph drop to 1st gear.

Point three, they look like brothers, one is slightly bigger with broader shoulders.

Point four, if you ride them everyday, you should be able to put 100,000 miles on either of them before rebuilding, but sadly, most riders let their bikes sit and put very few miles on them.
The little brother gets my vote for carefree longevity.

So, what was just stated up above would be considered the sameness of the two bikes, but what about the differences?

Noise.. One makes a lot of noise.
Weight... One is a lot heavier than the other.
Handling.. One is a lot more difficult to handle in parking lots.
Speed.. One does a scary 103 mph.
Not at all the speed it wants to be at, so it drops back down to 70-80 and is happy.
Speed.. The other one tops out at 80 (Well 85 if you change out the sprocket like you are supposed to) and is comfortable and quiet when it buzzes.

One stops predictably and is easy to tame at a traffic light.
One gets twice the MPG as the other
One seems to quietly and dependably take you anywhere in town you desire to go.

The other one helps you fit in with the BT Biker Crowd.

Which one do I like to ride the most?
It starts with an H.

Duh!

Well my favorite is my Hon-duh but the Harley does have its place.

Smartest purchase I ever made was the Rebel.

Tempted to buy a few more, low mile Rebels, just because they are so shiny, new and sub 2,000.00

So many of them have less than 2,000 miles on them and go for peanuts.

Shhhhh.. Do not tell anyone, but we need to buy them all up and keep them hidden for future use.
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Old 08-02-2016, 07:48 AM
 
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Just one quibble... the shift points you suggest are MAXIMUM speeds for gear shifts, not "should shift at" speeds. Most riders will shift well below those speeds in normal riding when maximum acceleration or deceleration is not required. it's a lot quieter and more relaxed.

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^^^

I concur, check your owner's manual and you'll see the manufacturer suggests that you are done shifting/in top gear at 31mph.

I would also debate "having to change out the sprocket like you're supposed to" in order to attain 85mph. Despite losing some weight over the years I'm still over 200lbs and I can get mighty close to the end of the speedo with stock cogs on our stock 96 model.
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I also concur.
let me try again with a modified chart.

They both should be shifted at the same mph:
1st up-shift at 10 mph
2nd up-shift at 20
3rd up-shift at 30
4th up-shift at 40
5th up-shift at 50

Point two:
They should both downshift at the same MPH
at 30 mph drop to 4th gear
at 20 mph drop to 3rd gear
at 10 mph drop to 2nd gear
at 5 mph drop to 1st gear.

I do like to spin an engine.
I also love the apparent improved performance of doing the one tooth increase in the front (from 14 to 15) and the two tooth reduction of the rear cog of the Rebel.

Disregard the first post and consider the corrected second offering.

Perhaps now we are closer to agreement..

There is nothing to lose by changing out the cogs and everything to gain.
The Honda Rebel is geared too low in first.
Starts out easy as pie with the changing of the cogs and you gain an extra gear on the top end.

acceleration is the same after 5 mph, except you are still in first instead of second.
Probably faster to 60 after changing out the cogs and one less shift to boot

Do we concur?

Well, do we almost concur?

Okay, well, at least I agree with me.
and you were both right about the shifting MPH.
(perhaps I was even wrong)
Well, perhaps..

I still like to spin, it is faster.
Okay, yes I was wrong..
The second chart is far more realistic..

31 in fifth would be okay with some very gentle throttle on a totally stock Rebel.
I am a Rebel at heart and 31 is very hard on my heart.

But, do-able..
Thank you for your responses..

BuickGuy, Flitecontrol, Refrigator, where are you when I need you.

Gotta love the Rebel, regardless.
Its just the perfect bike for all around getting the job done effortlessly, up to and including route 66.


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Its kinda like comparing a canoe to the USS Wisconsin (BB-64) is an Iowa-class battleship.
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:13 PM
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Well the first point that I would make is that they both have 5 speeds, so neither can have a 5th shift point.

Other than that, you are just comparing apples and bananas.

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I have to question the concept of getting more speed from taller gearing on a Rebel. It's an illusion. The Rebel does not redline out on top end. It torques out at wide open throttle. i.e. you can hold it wide open and it won't go any faster.
The exception might be when going downhill with a tail wind. then you can go faster with taller gearing. You do pay the price, of course, when going uphill into a headwind.
If a Rebel could go faster with taller gears on a level road with no wind, Honda would have fitted those sprockets as standard.

Also the only bikes that would be scary at 104 mph would be those that have no business going that fast. I've been on lots of very fast bikes that felt rock solid at much higher speeds.

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FWIW I habitually utilize something really close to the suggested shift points in the owners manual which states something to the tune of:

1st to 2nd @ 12mph
2nd to 3rd @ 18mph
3rd to 4th @ 25mph
4th to 5th @ 31mph

Now I'm not religiously watching the speedo but that's about where I shift.

As mentioned it's a bone stock bike, meaning bone stock final drive ratios. It may surprise many that I often find myself "gradually winding it up" to those speeds --- versus "rocketing up" to those speeds --- in an effort to avoid becoming one with the bumper of the car in front of me.

Which should not be confused with the fact that I have also wound each gear up to the indicated hash marks on the speedo on less traveled roads. But the simple fact remains that in this congested town the rocketing simply isn't possible during the urban treks, not unless you choose to pull some major assaholic moves in the process.

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FWIW I habitually utilize something really close to the suggested shift points in the owners manual which states something to the tune of:

1st to 2nd @ 12mph
2nd to 3rd @ 18mph
3rd to 4th @ 25mph
4th to 5th @ 31mph
We are very close on the shift points although I am still a bit on the liberal side.

They both should be shifted at the same mph:
1st up-shift at 10 mph
2nd up-shift at 20
3rd up-shift at 30
4th up-shift at 40

Great catch on the 5th gear shift point 76Paw.

Anyways, I still prefer the Rebel.
The Rebel fits nicely into life.

Thank you for all the responses.


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I guess I'm a little harder on the throttle than most, but the shift pattern in his first post is my pretty close to my normal shift pattern. maybe that's just Florida driving trying to keep up with the crazies, and away from the retirees.

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