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post #11 of 46 Old 08-03-2016, 08:13 AM
 
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These two bikes, in my opinion are not like apples and bananas, but more like apples and green peas. Very, very different bikes. Yes, they do resemble one another visually to a degree. Engine technology is hugely different (Sporty has a dry sump, etc.).


I see the shift points as merely commentary.


Pass the popcorn....No disrespect but just not my idea of interesting.

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They both have two wheels, and that's about where the similarities end.

Although depending on vintage and model, they could also share a common fuel capacity.

"Ride Safe, Chop Safer" Motorcycles are not unsafe. However; they are extremely unforgiving of inattention, incompetence, ignorance, and stupidity.
Dismantling, sawzalling, and rattle canning does not make a bobber.
Those are STEPS toward customizing, not customizing unto itself.
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I've had both. First was my HD Nightster 1200 ... Very nice bike. Expensive. Heavy. Uses premium fuel. But a nice orange color. Nice fuel injection. Fast. But at my age I didn't need all that. And at my weight I found it too heavy for my liking. I sold it and got my 2006 black Rebel and I'm a lot happier! ( I'm a 120 lb male, 5'6" and the Rebel seems to fit!)Lighter weight, 80+ mpg. Quieter ... I don't need all the rumble. And I can run at 60 or 65 mph and be perfectly content. I don't need to do 110 down the highway. It's all what is important to you I suppose. I'm 61 now and I'll let the younger clan ride the Nightster.

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Irony defined: a model that was among HD's early "all black everything" a.k.a. "Dark Custom" treatment (the Nightster) painted...orange.

"Ride Safe, Chop Safer" Motorcycles are not unsafe. However; they are extremely unforgiving of inattention, incompetence, ignorance, and stupidity.
Dismantling, sawzalling, and rattle canning does not make a bobber.
Those are STEPS toward customizing, not customizing unto itself.
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Great points by all.

Don't take this the wrong way
Still feel like both bikes are brothers.
The 883 does have more torque, but in my humble opinion they are very much the same in oh so many respects.
I do like the Rebel more.

My Goldwing of course is totally different. (Green Pea kinda different)
My next bike will be a dual sport.

Honestly, you could not ride the Harley in fifth gear at 31 mph (fearfully, impossible), but I do not like riding the rebel at 31 in fifth either.
Both bikes are happy doing 70-75 MPH, but honestly would not feel comfortably safe at anything above 90 on the Harley (and I am sure, if the Honda Rebel could pull it, I would not be comfortable with it either.)

Both seem to have the same comfort zone.
I get 80 mpg at a constant 60 mph on the interstate with the Rebel.
Yet, I have to admit, the Harley is more comfortable on the interstate and can blend a bit better with the flow.

Do not really understand the apples to green peas though.
Just not my experience.

Feels more like the difference between a Lawn Tractor and a Garden Tractor.

The Rebel is a far better mix for me in the city and due to the weight, somewhat easier to ride.
YMMV

No question about the Harley 883 Custom having more torque (Fun factor from a traffic light)
But, not a huge difference in all other aspects.

Somewhat surprised at the responses given (Although my riding style/rpms probably sparked most of the fall out)
I let the engine spin and go with the flow.
The Rebel tells me when to shift.
Pulls just shy of the 85 mph marker when pushed.
(80 MPH is sometimes needed out on the interstate to find your proper place in traffic) but at the Normal/Legal speed limit the Rebel rides beautifully from Fort Walton to Tallahassee (roughly 165 miles) without missing a beat.

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I'm glad that you like your Rebel, but I don't understand why you think it is similar to the Harley at all. I own them both, and at 6' with long legs, neither fit me very well. I like them both, just not for long rides. I much prefer the Rebel for running around my little small town that is less than a mile in any direction, or for running around the farm or anything on dirt. I much prefer the Harley for intermediate distances, or anything on the highway. I want something bigger than either for long trips, or as my daily driver.

They are both very different however, and no one, other than apparently you, would confuse one with the other. No comparison in weight, engine size or type, horsepower, torque, acceleration, top speed, rpms, sound, or anything else that I can think of other than they are both motorcycles with 2 wheels. Apples and green peas is about right.

The Honda Shadow 750 is much closer to the Harley, but still smaller, lighter, and less power. Would you really compare a Rebel to a Shadow? That is how silly it sounds.

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I'm not sure why the Harley couldn't handle 31 in top gear, it produces torque much lower down the RPM range than the Rebel does. The 600 Shadow with its long ratio four speed can do 25 in top gear without lugging the engine.

"Ride Safe, Chop Safer" Motorcycles are not unsafe. However; they are extremely unforgiving of inattention, incompetence, ignorance, and stupidity.
Dismantling, sawzalling, and rattle canning does not make a bobber.
Those are STEPS toward customizing, not customizing unto itself.
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To my thinking they are apples and oranges, or maybe make that "corn on the cob" and "watermelon." Radically different bikes as I see it.
Choosing one over the other would be based on any number of factors, including the intangibles of individual prospective buyers..


Me? I'd for a 97 to 09 Kawasaki Vulcan 500.....Six speeds, 450 lbs or so, very peppy, handles like a dream. Parallel twin engine (same as Rebel).

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Parallel twin engine (same as Rebel).
Same in the regard of having two pistons oscillating side by side...much like a Sportster vs Rebel both have two wheels, things get very different once you get past that trivial aspect.


Off the top of my head....

> square bore/stroke vs large bore/small stroke
> 2 valves/cylinder vs 4
> 1 camshaft vs 2
> same plane crankpins vs offset crankpins
> one carb vs two
> five speed vs six
> air cooled vs liquid cooled
> 9.2:1 compression ratio vs 10.2:1
> max RPM = peak power RPM at twice the displacement

I'm sure there are others that escape me but you get my gist.
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Dismantling, sawzalling, and rattle canning does not make a bobber.
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Same in the regard of having two pistons oscillating side by side...much like a Sportster vs Rebel both have two wheels, things get very different once you get past that trivial aspect.


Off the top of my head....

> square bore/stroke vs large bore/small stroke
> 2 valves/cylinder vs 4
> 1 camshaft vs 2
> same plane crankpins vs offset crankpins
> one carb vs two
> five speed vs six
> air cooled vs liquid cooled
> 9.2:1 compression ratio vs 10.2:1
> max RPM = peak power RPM at twice the displacement

I'm sure there are others that escape me but you get my gist.
2004 Harley Davidson Sportster 883 Custom Specs:

Bore x stroke: 3.0 x 3.8 inches <-- Not what I would call a stroker, but the Harley does have a "longer" stroke to bore ratio.
2 Valves per Cylinder: (2 = same as Honda 250)
1 Single Cam (Same as Honda Rebel 250)

Fuel system: One Carburetor (Same as the Honda Rebel 250)
Gearbox: 5-speed (Does your Rebel have six gears? Mine has only 5)
Air Cooled (Same as the Honda Rebel 250)
Lower Compression Ratio 8.9:1 vs 9.2:1 for the Honda Rebel 250
Honda Max RPM 8,250 rpm VS Harley 883 Rev Limited to 6,300

Weight: 574 (vs 331 pounds for the Honda Rebel 250)
HP: 41 Vs 17 for the Honda Rebel 250
Top speed: 103 mph <-- 80 and above = Scary

The Honda Rebel has 17 HP (could always use more, but sufficient)
Top Speed 83 <-- Scary


My 2004 Harley is faster and has more torque, but in my humble opinion is quite comparable to my 2004 Honda Rebel 250.

Your Mileage may vary, but in my experience, the Rebel is more than a just younger brother.
I love the Rebel.
I also love the Harley.

Both of mine have a windshield and have the same seat/backrest/rear rack and look like brothers.

But, as you pointed out, they really are different.
Not as different as you might expect but I have to agree, they are different.

The blue line on the chart is the 883 STOCK before mods.
http://www.nrhsperformance.com/pictu...oject04883.gif
Not my 883, but just to put things into perspective..
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