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post #11 of 38 Old 06-24-2019, 04:46 AM Thread Starter
 
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If you get the engine, take it to a machine shop and have them pull out the broken stud.
Well they made a counter offer of $350, I'm not sure how I'm going to respond yet.
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post #12 of 38 Old 06-24-2019, 04:54 AM Thread Starter
 
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If you find one listed for a late model (2016 being the final year) odds are good that it won't need cleaning/rebuilding.



I may have a partial guard, meaning the curved portion was cut off the back leaving just the straight portion. I can't recall if I left it on the bike I gave to a friend in need a few years ago so I'll have to dive into the Great Heap.

Pic of the guard on the bike before it was donated:






I see a lot of Gen-1 600 Shadows in that price range out here. Case in point...

https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/mcy/...896639638.html

...which is exactly how one of mine looked like ever so briefly.

I'm just not sure what to do just yet. I genuinely like the little Rebel, I really liked the gas mileage I got before the exhaust studs broke, I was getting about 65 mpg, now I think I'm lucky to be getting 50-55 mpg I'm guessing that's mostly because the engine isn't balanced now with no back pressure in the left side cylinder.

That's a nice looking first gen shadow. Did they make a lot of those? How are parts to find, easy like the Rebel?

So basically it's my choice either to repair or replace. I'm lost in my decision.
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Damn I didn't see it until I just looked at it again and enlarged the picture, well I guess I can hope he doesn't accept my offer then. That engine has the same issue mine has, and it looks like it is broken almost identically to the way mine are broken, flush or just below the surface. Must be a pretty common problem with these 250 engines.
You don't have to pay if he accepts your offer. The item is not as described.

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You don't have to pay if he accepts your offer. The item is not as described.
He counter offered it for $350, I decided to decline the offer.
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That's a nice looking first gen shadow. Did they make a lot of those?
20 years worth of production. By Y2K it had been named best selling model on a worldwide basis, they sold like hotcakes in Europe --- particularly in countries that had taxed/tiered systems as it was small enough and fuel efficient to make it into the lower brackets.

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How are parts to find, easy like the Rebel?
Pretty much, I've never had issue finding the consumables. Naturally things like fuel tanks dropped out shortly after the bike was discontinued (2007) so you're at the mercy of honest sellers if/when you're looking for one that isn't lined with rust, but the OEM & aftermarket still supports the regular items like tires, brakes, carb parts, oil filters, etc.
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20 years worth of production. By Y2K it had been named best selling model on a worldwide basis, they sold like hotcakes in Europe --- particularly in countries that had taxed/tiered systems as it was small enough and fuel efficient to make it into the lower brackets.

Pretty much, I've never had issue finding the consumables. Naturally things like fuel tanks dropped out shortly after the bike was discontinued (2007) so you're at the mercy of honest sellers if/when you're looking for one that isn't lined with rust, but the OEM & aftermarket still supports the regular items like tires, brakes, carb parts, oil filters, etc.
Very interesting, I thought I had ruled out an earlier model, but with this bit of info, I guess I can add one back into my options for dealing with my current Rebel situation. I think a shadow above 500 would meet all of my needs and wants in a replacement for my little Rebel. I would not have thought that a cruiser would be a big seller in Europe, when I think of cruisers I mostly think "American" market.

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I think this is the route I'm probably going to end up on, it just seems more feasible to save some cash and replace the Rebel, how much I have to replace I guess will depend on how long my Rebel holds out.

I haven't done a search yet, but is there a forum for Shadows like this one for Rebels?
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I haven't done a search yet, but is there a forum for Shadows like this one for Rebels?
Owned/operated by the same outfit that hosts this board:
https://www.hondashadow.net/forum/

I strongly recommend the chain driven 600 or 750 models, the shaft driven models are heavier and slower...and while I didn't find any advantages to it, many folks like to alter their final gearing ratios (much like they do here with their Rebels) and that's just not cheap or feasible with a shaft. Alas if FI is high on your priority list, then you'll be stuck with a shaft as the chain driven models were carbureted (unless you find a 750RS, that was the only FI/chain model made but it has a tiny tank that won't get you past city limits).

Note the modern 750 (re: 99+) was an enlarged clone of the 600 motor, same design at a slightly larger scale (it even shares some internal parts). As of this model year, it has just made the same 20 year production run that the 600 enjoyed.


P.S. I don't have that chain guard, it went with the bike...I found a pic from when my friend had it and it still had the guard in said pic.


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Dismantling, sawzalling, and rattle canning does not make a bobber.
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Owned/operated by the same outfit that hosts this board:
https://www.hondashadow.net/forum/

I strongly recommend the chain driven 600 or 750 models, the shaft driven models are heavier and slower...and while I didn't find any advantages to it, many folks like to alter their final gearing ratios (much like they do here with their Rebels) and that's just not cheap or feasible with a shaft. Alas if FI is high on your priority list, then you'll be stuck with a shaft as the chain driven models were carbureted (unless you find a 750RS, that was the only FI/chain model made but it has a tiny tank that won't get you past city limits).

Note the modern 750 (re: 99+) was an enlarged clone of the 600 motor, same design at a slightly larger scale (it even shares some internal parts). As of this model year, it has just made the same 20 year production run that the 600 enjoyed.


P.S. I don't have that chain guard, it went with the bike...I found a pic from when my friend had it and it still had the guard in said pic.


That hardly even looks like a Rebel. I'm still investigating the possibility of repairing my Rebel, Jack, of Jack's Rebel warehouse says he has a good head, that he can sell me for $250 freight included. So now I just have to figure out all the other parts, gaskets and misc, items needed to complete the head swap.
It will also need a new exhaust for at least the left side, due to vibration the pipe cracked and fell off at the crossover pipe.

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I just did the math, if I put it in the shop to do the work and rent a car to drive around for a week, it would be over $1500, not worth it. Here is my price estimate break down:

good cylinder head: $250
misc. part from babbits $130
rental car (5 days, $35/day plus ins)$275
left side exhaust (eBay) $100
shop labor fee (8 hours) $800
total=$1545!!!!

Only paid $800 for the bike, and it's not pretty, and this doesn't even resolve all the issues.
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Best thing I did to my '86 Rebel, Matilda, was swap the 33-tooth rear sprocket for a 30-tooth. This gave 1st gear some oomph plus added 5mph top speed, from 75 to 80mph. I installed a digital tachometer (easy) below the speedometer with small bolts to the flanges of a pair hose clamps on the handlebar. I'd set the idle at 1100 instead of the stock 1300. In cold weather, I'd up the idle stop screw until it warmed up, but you know, so cool to fiddle with the carb at a stoplight. The Rebel 250 is a screaming machine.
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That hardly even looks like a Rebel. I'm still investigating the possibility of repairing my Rebel, Jack, of Jack's Rebel warehouse says he has a good head, that he can sell me for $250 freight included. So now I just have to figure out all the other parts, gaskets and misc, items needed to complete the head swap.
It will also need a new exhaust for at least the left side, due to vibration the pipe cracked and fell off at the crossover pipe.

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I just did the math, if I put it in the shop to do the work and rent a car to drive around for a week, it would be over $1500, not worth it. Here is my price estimate break down:

good cylinder head: $250
misc. part from babbits $130
rental car (5 days, $35/day plus ins)$275
left side exhaust (eBay) $100
shop labor fee (8 hours) $800
total=$1545!!!!

Only paid $800 for the bike, and it's not pretty, and this doesn't even resolve all the issues.
Jack probably has most, if not all those parts. Have you priced them from him? Might be cheaper as a package deal. Online part prices are cheap, but they nail you on the shipping charges.

Keepin' all the left over parts. Gonna use 'em to build another bike!

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