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post #1 of 9 Old 04-08-2019, 10:40 PM Thread Starter
 
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250 Rebel and Nighthawk differences?

My Rebel is a little small for me- the low seat, forward pegs and high/pullback bars are just not what I prefer. The Nighthawk seems to be a much better fit. I would like to know the differences in the two models...............especially the frames/measurments, the forks, gearing, and will the front disc from the rebel bolt on to the NHawk?

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post #2 of 9 Old 04-09-2019, 04:20 PM
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I put 20k miles on both a rebel 250 and a nighthawk 250. At 6' tall, the nighthawk was a MUCH better fit. Being a standard, it felt more stable and flickable too. The rebel feels a little wobbly throwing it in a corner hard where the nighthawk did not. Probably because the forks aren't as raked out as they are on the rebel. I don't have any measurements of the bike but I can tell you riding a nighthawk is a night and day difference if you don't like that cramped up feel of the rebel.

Gearing is the same, but the larger rear rim makes the gearing a little taller. My nighthawk was running 5,500 at 55 mph with stock 14/33 gearing which would be equal to a rebel with taller-than-stock, 15/33 gearing. I'm pretty sure I remember someone saying it takes a bit of fabrication to get a disk brake set up on the nighthawk. The front drum is pretty strong though if it's maintained. It's cable-actuated though rather than hydraulic, so be damn sure the cable is lubricated and in perfect working order.
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Exactly how I felt it would be- I have owned a NH, but its been years- the Rebel is just too small for me. Not finding anything locally though...............wish I could find someone that would like to trade! George in Tallahassee........very near S Georgia

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I'm not a taller rider myself but this discussion does make me wonder if the newer Rebel 300/500 are better sized for larger riders? Might be worth a try if you can't find a Nighthawk.

I have the Hanes hardbound manual for the Rebel 250 (highly recommend it). These bikes are so similar the book actually covers both with just a few pages of 'this is different on the Nighthawk 250' in the whole book.

There is a Nighthawk 750, the 750 is a totally different bike. Might be worth a look if you can find one in your area, when I've seen them in person they seem like a sweet ride.

As far as dimensions / trying to do a brake transplant, the front end geometry is apparently different enough on these bikes to cause complications with this plan: https://www.hondarebelforum.com/f28/...0-a-13181.html

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I'm not a taller rider myself but this discussion does make me wonder if the newer Rebel 300/500 are better sized for larger riders? Might be worth a try if you can't find a Nighthawk.

I have the Hanes hardbound manual for the Rebel 250 (highly recommend it). These bikes are so similar the book actually covers both with just a few pages of 'this is different on the Nighthawk 250' in the whole book.

There is a Nighthawk 750, the 750 is a totally different bike. Might be worth a look if you can find one in your area, when I've seen them in person they seem like a sweet ride.

As far as dimensions / trying to do a brake transplant, the front end geometry is apparently different enough on these bikes to cause complications with this plan: https://www.hondarebelforum.com/f28/...0-a-13181.html
While I have zero experience riding a rebel 300/500, I would like to make note that the nighthawk 250 would, in my opinion, be a much better choice if you don't need/want the extra power.

Vey basic and simple to work on like the rebel, no fancy electronics to fail, and I can just about guarantee that the like-clockwork 233cc twin that was perfected in the 1980's will be a much more reliable engine than something designed in the last few years. Overall build quality of the parts will of course be much better as well.

I just listened to a rebel 500 engine doing 0-60 on video. It's not horrible sounding, but it's damn sure nowhere near as perfected as what was crafted by honda back in their prime. If you want a bike that will get you there reliably and super cheap for 100,000+ miles you can't go wrong with the rebel/nighthawk engine.
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Yamaha Exciter 250 is comparable
Twinstar is smaller but not much smaller.
Suzuki GS250
the nitehawk cb550?

Kawasaki Z200
the Yamaha big twins?

the big 4 Japanese manufacturers all competed for this under 500cc market in 1981 and those are premium bikes in my opinion. all getting more and more rare these days for a reason. they are sweet to ride. but the rebel is the one bucket style saddle that has a unique look but is not as comfortable for me as the others with the long, flat saddle.

the nitehawk and reb are only two of many similar rides.

https://valdosta.craigslist.org/mcy/...848450903.html

shoot. that Suzuki is da bomb! $900!! bargain city.

https://tallahassee.craigslist.org/m...843654963.html

sweet xs650. dreamy.

https://gainesville.craigslist.org/m...862790512.html

hondamatic. a little overpriced.

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I would like to know the differences in the two models...............especially the frames/measurments, the forks, gearing, and will the front disc from the rebel bolt on to the NHawk?
The CB250 Nighthawk has a slightly larger carb, otherwise it's the same engine w/same gearing. The Rebel's front disc will not bolt up, you'll need the Rebel wheel w/rotor, axle, forks, and triple trees for an all out front end exchange...and even so the stems aren't the same either (the Rebel stem is slightly shorter than the CB stem). The forks are slightly shorter on the Rebel as well, about an inch difference IIRC so you'd be deraking the bike too.

Fun Fact: despite sharing the same motor, all the hardware is completely different between the two: different coils, different ignition module, different regulator/rectifier, pretty much everything on the wiring harness that connects to the motor is different. Yet either harness/hardware will run the motor.

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thanks Oggy, I've been scouring the same places!

Shadow Shack: more thanks, and that is surprising. I've come to think the front drum is probably fine for an old guy anyway.

I did rebuild the carb on the Rebel I have and getting it off and on was a pain- is the NH any easier?

Thanks, George

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I did rebuild the carb on the Rebel I have and getting it off and on was a pain- is the NH any easier?
I can't speak on behalf of the Nighthawk as my "Nighthawk" is a frankenbike acquisition.

Cliff Notes version: the seller bought the bike from a prior owner who mis-listed it as a Rebel instead of the (untitled) Nighthawk which it really was. Thinking it was a Rebel, the seller acquired a titled Rebel frame to replace the untitled CB250 frame, and then proceeded to acquire all the "missing bodywork" for the project. So as I acquired it, it was a Rebel frame & bodywork with a Nighthawk engine, wiring harness, and front end.

Full Story here: https://www.hondarebelforum.com/gara...ehicle_id=3817






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