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post #81 of 412 Old 12-01-2016, 10:59 AM
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I looked for a few minutes and was not able to find the model designation for the new rebels (cmx or cb) - anyone know?

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nevermind, i found this in one of the pics


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However the 10.7:1 compression ratio hints at mandating higher octane fuel...any CB500 owners here that can comment on that end?
We put plain old regular grade fuel in the CB and the NC and the NT along with the Rebels. We do try to find alcohol free, though.


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For a few hundred more you can get a Harley Street 500 or a Vulcan 650 S and have more bang for the buck (and still look just the same). I've said it since I opened with it: if the bike had some color --- thus drifting away from all the other bikes out there it was cloned from (see opening sentence) --- I could warm up to it. I might even buy one.

After which the first mod would be removing the "Rebel" sticker off the rear fender, because it still wouldn't be a Rebel. I just can't call it something it is not, regardless of how much I may like or dislike it. It's a CB motor, it should have a CB designation, and it should have a different name because it's a different bike.
I definitely understand where you guys are coming from regarding Honda reusing the Rebel name on a completely different bike. It does seem like it should be a variant on the CB, sharing the same motor and all.

That being said, I'm in the gtmotor camp. As far as the bike itself goes, I really like it and will consider buying it or at least giving it a hard look. I can't wait to read some reviews on it once it's available to the press.

As far as the Harley or Kawi goes, you make a good point about bang for the buck. But, I just can't see myself ever owning a Harley for the simple reason of the connotations the name can imply. I still remember all the flack I used to get from my HD owning coworkers over my PC800. And the vulcan just doesn't do it for me, not sure why. With the Honda you're getting a proven motor and hopefully the handling will be decent. I did read the ground clearance is supposed to be adequate, meaning less worry of scraping pegs if you want to lean it in a corner. Really, the only knocks I can see, (from my personal use perspective), would be the smallish tank and I worry about the price of accessories which you know will be outrageous.
Speaking of accessories, I'm not really a fan of the looks in the link Sconda posted. I do love having some sort of case for carrying rain gear, small tool kit, etc. but I did not like the looks of those saddle bags, especially thinking Honda will probably charge a good grand or so for them by the time you get the rack, pinion seat and all, ugh. Maybe some nice looking aftermarket stuff will show up soon.
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All blacked out, so much for high visibility and safety. Even with added color not enough to make it a good looking bike.
I love the larger engines, and six speed tranny, not so keen on water cooled motor let alone the big fat tires. Still chain drive---most these days are belts so that is a surprise too. Just really shocked me that this is how Honda thought their loyal followers wanted them to go. Pretty sad in my opinion.

Glad I bought my 2015 when I did. WOW! What do you all think about the big announcement today?
IMHO, I think the bikes are kind fugly, but that's just me. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that will love them. And my 2005 Rebel is 'all blacked out'. That's the way it came. Not a whole lot of chrome on it.

I, for one, am pretty happy with the new engine. They had to go to it to meet new emissions standards. The bike will run cooler, and when you're sitting in stop and go traffic and its 102F out, you won't really have to worry about your engine overheating and suffering an early death. I have 6 water cooled Honda's: 2) NT700's, CB500X, CBR250R, NC700X, VT750. Oil changes are every 8000 miles vs, what, 2500 for the Rebel? (And how many people on this board alone say that the recommended interval is too long?) . And its so much easier to do them (well, except for the fairing plastic on the CBR). And another nice thing, excepting the CBR, all the other ones use the same oil filter.
I have several chain bikes and several shaft bikes. Pluses and minuses to each. The 750 Shadow has a shaft drive, yet the chain drive 600 Shadow out performs it.

Valve checks? Its a PITA on the NT's, but the interval is pretty long, and I've only had to do initial adjustments on the NC and the CB. Not so for the Rebel.

Mileage. We took the Rebel and the CB500 on a short 500 mile trip. The CB got better mileage than the Rebel did. Even the NC700 does better.

I don't much care for the fatter tires, but, there are ways around that.

Don't get me wrong. I love my little Rebel. I've put over 30,000 miles on it. It has never let me down. But lets face it. It has been in serious need of an upgrade for 20 years. I do wish , though, that they could have made a less ugly bike to wrap around the upgrades. I would have considered the 300. But... ugh.


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The picture I posted looks like a CB450 with a dinky tank and Japanese police style saddle bags.

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IMHO, I think the bikes are kind fugly, but that's just me. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that will love them. And my 2005 Rebel is 'all blacked out'. That's the way it came. Not a whole lot of chrome on it.

I, for one, am pretty happy with the new engine. They had to go to it to meet new emissions standards. The bike will run cooler, and when you're sitting in stop and go traffic and its 102F out, you won't really have to worry about your engine overheating and suffering an early death. I have 6 water cooled Honda's: 2) NT700's, CB500X, CBR250R, NC700X, VT750. Oil changes are every 8000 miles vs, what, 2500 for the Rebel? (And how many people on this board alone say that the recommended interval is too long?) . And its so much easier to do them (well, except for the fairing plastic on the CBR). And another nice thing, excepting the CBR, all the other ones use the same oil filter.
I have several chain bikes and several shaft bikes. Pluses and minuses to each. The 750 Shadow has a shaft drive, yet the chain drive 600 Shadow out performs it.

Valve checks? Its a PITA on the NT's, but the interval is pretty long, and I've only had to do initial adjustments on the NC and the CB. Not so for the Rebel.

Mileage. We took the Rebel and the CB500 on a short 500 mile trip. The CB got better mileage than the Rebel did. Even the NC700 does better.

I don't much care for the fatter tires, but, there are ways around that.

Don't get me wrong. I love my little Rebel. I've put over 30,000 miles on it. It has never let me down. But lets face it. It has been in serious need of an upgrade for 20 years. I do wish , though, that they could have made a less ugly bike to wrap around the upgrades. I would have considered the 300. But... ugh.
The fact that the Rebel is outdated is what attracts me to it. I get this warm fuzzy feeling about it, while modern bikes leave me cold. I bought a new Royal Enfield Bullet a couple of years ago (because I couldn't afford a real vintage British bike in nice condition) which has now been converted to a carb, and had the super quiet 40 pound exhaust replaced with a 10 pound one that actually lets you hear the wonderful sound of that 500cc long stroke heavy flywheel engine. It's design dates back to the '50s. I also have a Genuine Stella 150cc 2 stroke manual shift scooter, which is an exact copy of the old Vespa P series. I own 2 vintage cars, a '64 and a '72.


Mileage doesn't concern me on bikes, since they get such great mileage anyway. I only use my bikes for recreational riding. And even though I am a former auto mechanic, I value simplicity and easy maintenance. I just bought a brand new 2016 Rebel after seeing what Honda did to the 2017. It is my third Rebel, and I have thoroughly enjoyed them. They are the end of an era, one I am sad to see go away.
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Perhaps it would be more aptly named the "Honda Conformer"

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For a few hundred more you can get a Harley Street 500 or a Vulcan 650 S and have more bang for the buck (and still look just the same).
I do think the new Honda model is better looking overall than the Harley or Kawasaki versions. Both alternatives have much better gauges however; I suspect Honda slapped the cheapest gauge on there they could find.

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I've said it since I opened with it: if the bike had some color --- thus drifting away from all the other bikes out there it was cloned from (see opening sentence) --- I could warm up to it. I might even buy one.
2017 KTM Duke 390, although not having quite the cruiser look, does have an upright seating position and is certainly awesome in the color department. I'd probably point anyone considering one of these new models to look at the KTM to see if they like it more.

2017 KTM 390 DUKE

For most people I'd say if you're not into the classic cruiser style, it makes sense to consider more modern designs overall as they have other benefits in handling and practicality. If you do still want the classic style, Yamaha has some nice offerings to consider:

https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/cr...els/v-star-250
https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/sp...e/models/sr400

Getting a bit on the larger side, but Triumph has a bike with a nice classic look with all the modern amenities too, and is another example in the blue and white of the possibilities with some color:

http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/bi...onneville-t100

It's a good time to be a small bike enthusiast in general right now. Tons of options.

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http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/bi...onneville-t100

It's a good time to be a small bike enthusiast in general right now. Tons of options.
I wouldn't say there's "tons of options"; there's several good ones (you mentioned a couple, including the 390 Duke), but I'd like more. There is the Versys-X 300 coming as well, and hopefully, sooner or later, a naked version of the R3 (i.e., the MT-03 in India). But they make what sells and what's most profitable...and that's probably why we have the relative scarcity of smaller mid-sized bikes.


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