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post #41 of 412 Old 11-21-2016, 09:29 AM Thread Starter
 
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With just the one muffler the port side really needs some help...



Someone did a pair of customs for the Laguna bike show recently to help promote the bikes...the 300 looks like your typical dismantle/sawzall not-bobber but the 500 went the sport bike route which, in all honesty, is really the only direction you can go with these: back to their sport bike roots and not their former cruiser roots. Let's not split hairs, these are still NOT Rebels, merely CBR300 & CB500 variants.




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Dismantling, sawzalling, and rattle canning does not make a bobber.
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That didn't take long for someone to bobberize a hipster rebel.

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Is it me or did Honda Just shoot themselves in the foot?

Is it just me or did Honda just shoot themselves in the foot? Their new redesigned Honda Rebels now coming in a 300cc and 500cc--look terrible. All blacked out, so much for high visibility and safety. Even with added color not enough to make it a good looking bike. Why must they feel they need to follow people like Harley's? They raised the seat up to 27.5 inches, doesn't help us short people much. They 26.6 was the better. I am 5'3"

I love the larger engines, and six speed tranny, not so keen on water cooled motor let alone the big fat tires. Still chain drive---most these days are belts so that is a surprise too. Just really shocked me that this is how Honda thought their loyal followers wanted them to go. Pretty sad in my opinion.

Glad I bought my 2015 when I did. WOW! What do you all think about the big announcement today?
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Hey guys, first post! The rebel is called the CMX because of the CM variant engine, right? So if these are the new Honda Rebel CMX 300 and 500, why do they run the current CB engine? I'd be a lot less upset if they brought back the old CBX moniker. Yup. The Honda Rebel CBX.
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It no longer looks like a cruiser bike. Not sure that I like the new look I will have to see one in person to make my final judgement but from what I see in the photo, I dont like it.
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Welcome to the forum freefrye. Enjoy.

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Hey guys, first post! The rebel is called the CMX because of the CM variant engine, right? So if these are the new Honda Rebel CMX 300 and 500, why do they run the current CB engine? I'd be a lot less upset if they brought back the old CBX moniker. Yup. The Honda Rebel CBX.
Technically it's the same engine as the CM, which started at 185/200 and graduated to 250 guise later on before it was revamped into the Rebel we all know and love. CB-something makes a lot more sense considering the heritage of these new Not-Rebels.

Also noteworthy, the Rebel never had a single cylinder engine either. Then again, there's a lot of things on these new models that the Rebel never had either, up to and including the lackluster style.

"Ride Safe, Chop Safer" Motorcycles are not unsafe. However; they are extremely unforgiving of inattention, incompetence, ignorance, and stupidity.
Dismantling, sawzalling, and rattle canning does not make a bobber.
Those are STEPS toward customizing, not customizing unto itself.
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Personally, I like it.
It may not be the Rebel that everyone has been used to seeing for the last several decades.
But I feel a lot of time and engineering went into this new model, and especially with all the modern upgrades over the older models, I feel it could become a viable contender in the lower priced, starter bike category.
I also feel that re-engineering the old style with all the modern features might have been a sales bomb. Without aggressively advertising the old style model with modern features would have hurt sales tremendously, as most of the younger crowd would look at the bike as the same old, same old that was sold for the last 30 years and never looked further into the modern upgrades.
For the older folks, nostalgia is important and change is hard, and that is ok, because there is 30 years of the same bike to choose from in any condition.
Today's youth have very short attention spans and the appeal has to be something that looks new, hip and modern. And that is exactly what Honda did with this newly styled Rebel.
Kids love sport bikes and anything that even looks sporty and fast, even if it isn't....it's all about eye candy to the mass audience.
And Honda also knows that there is a vast number of cruiser style bikes on the market, so why make another?
In the long run, I believe that the new Rebel might be a pretty good selling bike that may be owned longer and ridden further than the old style, just because of the fresh new styling alone, along with the larger displacement engines.
Case in point, just look at the vast number of older Rebels that can be had with almost no miles on them, no matter what year they are...
Only time will tell, but I believe Honda made a good move with this model.
Personally, I am interested in test riding the Rebel 500 and just may buy one.....it would be a vast improvement overall to the Rebel I bought new in '09, and I think it would be more fun to ride!
The only downfall is the lack of having a passenger, but what the hell, just buy two and get out and ride!
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Personally, I like it.
It may not be the Rebel that everyone has been used to seeing for the last several decades.
But I feel a lot of time and engineering went into this new model, and especially with all the modern upgrades over the older models, I feel it could become a viable contender in the lower priced, starter bike category.
I also feel that re-engineering the old style with all the modern features might have been a sales bomb. Without aggressively advertising the old style model with modern features would have hurt sales tremendously, as most of the younger crowd would look at the bike as the same old, same old that was sold for the last 30 years and never looked further into the modern upgrades.
For the older folks, nostalgia is important and change is hard, and that is ok, because there is 30 years of the same bike to choose from in any condition.
Today's youth have very short attention spans and the appeal has to be something that looks new, hip and modern. And that is exactly what Honda did with this newly styled Rebel.
Kids love sport bikes and anything that even looks sporty and fast, even if it isn't....it's all about eye candy to the mass audience.
And Honda also knows that there is a vast number of cruiser style bikes on the market, so why make another?
In the long run, I believe that the new Rebel might be a pretty good selling bike that may be owned longer and ridden further than the old style, just because of the fresh new styling alone, along with the larger displacement engines.
Case in point, just look at the vast number of older Rebels that can be had with almost no miles on them, no matter what year they are...
Only time will tell, but I believe Honda made a good move with this model.
Personally, I am interested in test riding the Rebel 500 and just may buy one.....it would be a vast improvement overall to the Rebel I bought new in '09, and I think it would be more fun to ride!
The only downfall is the lack of having a passenger, but what the hell, just buy two and get out and ride!
I feel pretty confident that these bikes will have low sale numbers and get the axe within 4 years. That said, honda might actually offer substantial options to make the bike what you want. That is after all their sales pitch. They may end up offering a passenger pillion and tons of cruiser options that we want...Like chrome! I do look at the bike with an open mind, but to my eyes, it screams CB and not CMX. Especially with that haggard ass tail lamp from 1970.

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Believe me I get the "same old same old" sales point of view. The problem here is now it's the "same new same new", it looks like all the other new bikes out there: lackluster YABOB (Yet Another Blacked Out Bike).

I also get that chrome is getting expensive when you consider the number of chromium regions on this planet that can be counted on one had. But that doesn't mean they can charge the same thing for not-chrome as they would if it HAD chrome. Even with the dollar vs yen inflation taken into account, the 500 still costs more than the 600 Shadow that came with tons of chrome. Also noteworthy, it costs nothing to change from powder coating/anodizing in black versus doing the same in another color...which would certainly differentiate these things from the herd. Case in point, look what a difference it makes by changing the color of just ONE part:



Now imagine that in a high gloss rendering (versus the basic MS paint I utilized just to make a point) and apply it further to the wheels, headlight bucket, and swingarm. Further that with stainless steel (which can be polished to look like chrome) on the radiator grill, exhaust, suspension bits, peg mounts, valve & lower case covers, and rear fender rail.

Now THAT I would gladly ride. Instead, like every other uninspired YABOB it's a secret 2:00am girlfriend: you don't want your neighbors to see it but you crave it privately only because it packs some talent between the sheets.

"Ride Safe, Chop Safer" Motorcycles are not unsafe. However; they are extremely unforgiving of inattention, incompetence, ignorance, and stupidity.
Dismantling, sawzalling, and rattle canning does not make a bobber.
Those are STEPS toward customizing, not customizing unto itself.
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