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post #351 of 412 Old 05-08-2017, 02:54 PM
 
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I just feel like when I see a motorcycle, really no matter what model it is, I enjoy it. I think it is amazing. No matter if it is some chinese made bike with a clone engine or custom made obscenely expensive bike.

It is one thing if people don't like a bike, but talking like people are wrong for wanting or buying something that isn't what your predisposed idea of what a motorcycle should look like is wrong is just dumb.

I mean, you all want to complain about chrome and tank posistion. And nobody even takes into account the bike's performance.
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post #352 of 412 Old 05-08-2017, 02:59 PM
 
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I'm not complaining... except for price because I can't afford anything that cost over free. But that doesn't count. I've stated, and even Shadow shack has stated that we mostly like the new rebel. Most people don't think it's worthy of the rebel name, but I can overlook that and accept it, because it's actual quite rebellious against the CMX family... because it's not a CMX.

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I'm not complaining... except for price because I can't afford anything that cost over free. But that doesn't count. I've stated, and even Shadow shack has stated that we mostly like the new rebel. Most people don't think it's worthy of the rebel name, but I can overlook that and accept it, because it's actual quite rebellious against the CMX family... because it's not a CMX.

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And that is the one thing I do agree on. I think it should have been given a different name. But it really doesn't bother me either way.
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2017 Honda rebel cb500c? That's what I would have named them. Has anyone noticed that Honda has added stuff to their website for them?

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It is one thing if people don't like a bike, but talking like people are wrong for wanting or buying something that isn't what your predisposed idea of what a motorcycle should look like is wrong is just dumb.
Shorty could you point out someone who has actually done that? You have implied it several times, and now stated it again as if it has actually happened. I don't remember it if it did, so please enlighten us as to who is doing this.

Everyone, to my knowledge, has acknowledged that everyone has the right to their own preferences.

Many don't like the fact that Honda used the Rebel name on a Not-Rebel bike, and now you acknowledge that you feel the same way.

Many people have different tastes than you or I but that doesn't make them wrong. It does mean that we will likely pick different bikes.

There are many more bikes out there covered in chrome than there are blacked out. Were all those people idiots, or did they just buy what they liked? There is a whole industry of aftermarket chrome do dads for bikes. How does it survive if no one likes it? Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean there isn't still a huge market for it that is still way bigger than the new fad blackout market, which bike manufacturers are trying to cultivate in order to make more profit.

We all understand that you like the new Not-Rebel, and that you have already planned numerous changes to it, and have even bought some of the parts to do so, before you even own it. We know you have been badgering people who have one to measure things for you so you can make things for it before you get it. We get it, you like it. But please stop accusing everyone who doesn't like it of hating everyone who does. We love you man, just not your bike.

Rant over, you may now return to your regularly scheduled postings.

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I really don't get the hang up on the name.

Dodge Charger
Ford Mustang
Kawasaki Ninja
Chevrolet Camaro
Yamaha YZ250
Honda XR600
Ford F-150
Honda Goldwing

Just to name a few.... technology changes. You either update with it or you get left behind. Both bikes are Rebels. One is the original and the other is evolved.
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I'm chill with the 2017 Honda rebel being called a Honda rebel. I'm just not okay with the CMX part of it. But the CB250 nighthawk has a CMX250 engine, so I guess it's payback time in the Honda world. Ramble on Rebel!🏍️

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Many people say they don't like the plain look of this bike. It is obvious from Honda's marketing efforts that they are intending this bike to be a blank canvas.....a starting point.
"Blank canvas" is merely a veiled attempt at taking your attention away from the fact that these new models look just like every other YABOB model out there.

When you get right down to it, any stock bike is a blank canvas when it comes to customizing...and if you really want to get technical a blank canvas is white.



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Twice the price because of surface area?
Click the links, they're both the same price. One has twice the surface area using the more expensive finishing process, the other has half the surface area using the cheap finishing process. And they're both the same price.

Translated: they're bending you over with the powder coating.

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Why would you not compare two of the same exact handle bars. One black one chrome. Which are the same price.
I could compare similar sized bars, but you're missing the point...the one with twice the surface area costs the same with the more expensive finish. Even if I did compare two identical sized bars, one still costs more to finish than the other yet this is not reflected in the price so the point remains the same.

Again, they're ripping you off for the cheaper process by offering it at the same price as something that requires twice the work with a more expensive process. In other words, they're selling you a $20 bill for the same price as a $100 bill.

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You literally made the worse possible comparison you could have made. That style handlebar you picked are the same price regardless if they are 8 -12 -14 inch, and black vs chrome does not matter either.
The seller would like you to think that. Go visit a local plater and find out which process costs more and which one costs less, they're making a huge profit margin on that cheaper process. In other words, it should be cheaper to the consumer by using the cheaper process...but it's not. Seriously, take any piece of raw steel to a plater and see what each process would cost to finish it, then tell me these "cheaper" blacked out bits are a good deal. Then take two different sized pieces and get quotes for PC on the smaller piece and chrome on the larger.

No matter how you slice it, $20 does not equal $100.

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Dismantling, sawzalling, and rattle canning does not make a bobber.
Those are STEPS toward customizing, not customizing unto itself.
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I really don't get the hang up on the name.

Dodge Charger
Ford Mustang
Kawasaki Ninja
Chevrolet Camaro
Yamaha YZ250
Honda XR600
Ford F-150
Honda Goldwing

Just to name a few.... technology changes. You either update with it or you get left behind. Both bikes are Rebels. One is the original and the other is evolved.
Bad examples... In evolution things change gradually from one thing to something quite different after many generations of small changes. All your examples changed gradually from one year to the next while retaining a strong resemblance to the preceding model. (The mustangs still look a lot like the originals. )

In this case, the "rebel" went from one thing to something totally different without even a pretext of retaining anything but 2 wheels and a seat from the old one. Like many others, I have no strong feelings about the new bike, but it seems evident to me that it represents a clean break from the now defunct "Rebel" which ran more or less from 1985 to 2016 and was then discontinued.

Another example of resurrecting a name was the reuse of "Bonneville" by Triumph. I would give them credit for making the new Bonneville in somewhat of the image of the old ones, although it is a heavy cruiser whereas the original was a high performance middleweight "standard" in the days before sportbikes. It is recognizable as a Bonneville if you squint your eyes, but no one would ever mistake a new "rebel" for an old one.

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4. The Honda Rebel geometry is designed for easy riding. The rake is set at 28 degrees, with an additional offset of two degree, so the Rebels will be stable.
Since this is a raked tree then it's not aimed at beginners. A raked tree creates all sorts of awkward maneuvering traits that you won't find on a conventional set of trees that match the fork angle. Also noteworthy, since a raked tree decreases trail, that makes it less stable unless it had a significant trail prior to the tree being raked. Granted the advertised 4.3" trail parallels what the 250 Rebel sports so that's not an issue, it still has the wheel turning on a different axis than the trees courtesy of the new offset...and that takes some getting used to at low speeds.

See the hi-def pic here and note how the forks are at a different andgle than the steering stem:

https://powersports.honda.com/Assets...l500_Style.jpg
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"Ride Safe, Chop Safer" Motorcycles are not unsafe. However; they are extremely unforgiving of inattention, incompetence, ignorance, and stupidity.
Dismantling, sawzalling, and rattle canning does not make a bobber.
Those are STEPS toward customizing, not customizing unto itself.
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