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And the vulcan just doesn't do it for me, not sure why. With the Honda you're getting a proven motor
FWIW that 650 Kawi motor has been around a lot longer than the water cooled CB500 mill which is still in its infancy (it debuted in 2013) or the CBR300 single (2011 debut). Even the HD Street motors share the same longevity as that CB500 mill (also debuted in 2013).

Ironically enough, had Honda stuck with the original air cooled CB500 mill that was used from the 1970's and into the next century/millennia, it would certainly be more Rebel-ish...and "proven" would hold a lot more water as well.
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Oil changes are every 8000 miles vs, what, 2500 for the Rebel?
4K according to the owners manual. When you factor in the mere 1qt of oil versus 3 plus a filter you're not saving anything by doubling the interval.

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(And how many people on this board alone say that the recommended interval is too long?)
At the aforementioned 1qt of oil it really isn't an issue to change it earlier. Consequently, I don't wait for the 8K mark on my Shadows either...I halve the recommended intervals on all of them (2K for the Rebels and 4K for the Shadows).
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I do think the new Honda model is better looking overall than the Harley or Kawasaki versions. Both alternatives have much better gauges however; I suspect Honda slapped the cheapest gauge on there they could find.
Beauty and beholders as they say, I think they all look like ka-ka-klones.

When I was comparing bang for the buck, the Street comes with a bikini fairing and a pillion (along with that coveted single pin V2 exhaust cadence), while the Vulcan S adds some color, improved suspension (mono-shock vs dual), and extra oomph. The fact that they all look the same does it in for me to steer clear of any of them, but if I had to take one it would be the Kwacker in green. Truth be told, if I wanted a bike that looked like that I would take the one Harley's Street copied, the early 80s VT500FT Ascot:


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Dismantling, sawzalling, and rattle canning does not make a bobber.
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I would avoid the Harley Street at all costs. It is a very poor quality bike. It was designed in India for the Indian market, to compete with the Royal Enfield. While U.S. versions are assembled here, the parts come from India. And to me, it is even uglier than the "new" Rebel. It's build quality is terrible, it's fit and finish is so bad it almost looks home made. Wires and cables sticking out all over the place. Yes, I've ridden the 750 version, after hearing so much about it on the advrider forum, I just had to check it out. It rides fairly well, but is definitely a third world bike. Not slickly finished like a Honda. For my money, if I wanted a Harley, I'd just go ahead and get the Sportster 883. At least you get a well built, well finished bike that gives you the traditional Harley sound and feel.

I have not ridden the Vulcan S, but something about it just doesn't look right. Too modern looking. It kinda has that "transformer" look that has become so popular on many other bikes. Cruisers are supposed to look old. It is very well put together though. I always preferred the late '70s/early '80s Japanese cruisers with parallel twins and inline fours. My 1980 Yamaha XS1100 Special bought used was one of my favorite bikes.

The Bolt is not much bigger than the Rebel. It follows the small bike big engine design of the Sportster. But while it is 950cc, the Vulcan S will easily blow it off the road. Even the V-Star 650 easily keeps up with it, is physically bigger, and IMO looks better. It also has shaft drive.
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I think the 'new' one is trying too hard to not look like a cruiser
reminds me of what happened in the 90's to the Camaro, looked nothing like a Camaro, looked like every other car on the road

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Perhaps it would be more aptly named the "Honda Conformer"

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It has been awhile, hasn't it?
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Truth be told, if I wanted a bike that looked like that I would take the one Harley's Street copied, the early 80s VT500FT Ascot:

I had an FT500 Ascot a while back. It was the bike I kept and rode the longest out of any bike I have owned. Loved that bike.

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I had an FT500 Ascot a while back. It was the bike I kept and rode the longest out of any bike I have owned. Loved that bike.


I normally don't defend HD much, but you could argue the Ascot looks a lot like this 1977 XLCR. The XLCR was an early design effort by Willie G Davidson which of course broke the mold of the Harley bigtwin image and was rejected by the HD faithful. This is one HD that I would like to have in my Garage if I could find one.

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I normally don't defend HD much, but you could argue the Ascot looks a lot like this 1977 XLCR. The XLCR was an early design effort by Willie G Davidson which of course broke the mold of the Harley bigtwin image and was rejected by the HD faithful. This is one HD that I would like to have in my Garage if I could find one.
I searched CL for the heck of it. Guess what?!

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$6500 for a bike that hasn't run in 20 years...

ooooooooooooooooooo-kaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy.
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"Ride Safe, Chop Safer" Motorcycles are not unsafe. However; they are extremely unforgiving of inattention, incompetence, ignorance, and stupidity.
Dismantling, sawzalling, and rattle canning does not make a bobber.
Those are STEPS toward customizing, not customizing unto itself.
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The VT500 is a bike I would buy new. As for the XLCR, that is not a bad price. It is an extremely rare bike, and highly sought after as a collectors item. Being a Shovelhead, it would be cheap and easy to rebuild the engine and transmission. For just a little over $10K (it would also need tires, brakes, chain, a few other things) you could be riding a real genuine classic instead of a Sportster. Shovelheads rebuilt with modern parts are a lot more reliable than the original AMF versions. This was the first Harley sportbike, before Buells came along.
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