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post #1 of 16 Old 10-14-2011, 04:36 PM Thread Starter
 
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S/S replacement brake lines-length for stock 250?

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my apologies if any of these questions have already been answered but I have not been able to find a thread that does so specifically:

I'm in the market for a new stainless steel/teflon brake line for my 85 250 Reb.

For those of you who have replaced OEM rubber brake lines with stainless steel on the 1st generation rebels, can you recall the length you used?

I know the physics behind using as short a line as possible, but how much extra length can one get away with?

Can anyone point me in the direction of a great (i.e. cheap and high quality...dare to dream) online retailer? I'm okay with clear coated s/s but would like to retain the stock look using black coated line with chrome end pieces. Spiegler is the first place I looked but they do not have the Rebel in their online catalogue.

Thanks in advance.

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post #2 of 16 Old 10-14-2011, 05:38 PM
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Like BG said you can meander the OE one and order the lines and ends fom Drag Specialties.

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Thanks guys.

A couple of the websites I've looked at so far have been unclear on HOW to measure the brake lines (e.g. centre to centre on the banjo bolts). I'm still in information gathering mode...please keep the suggestions for suppliers coming, and I promise to put up pictures and reviews when I finally get'er done

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All is good. I've made an order for some stainless steel line from Rennsports near Toronto, Ontario...$35 including shipping (same shipping price to the US as well- they're making some money off shipping to Canada).

HONDA CMX250C REBEL CUSTOM STAINLESS STEEL BRAKE LINE | eBay

I assumed they had all the measurements as cyclejunkie had made a previous order with them for his '86 250. I was wrong. I can measure the brake line by meandering a string as Cagie suggested, but how do I describe the banjo fittings to Rennsports?

To me it looks like there is a 15 degree bend at the caliper, and a 30 degree bend at the master cylinder. Is that correct?

Also, is there supposed to be any offset angle to the banjo fittings to relieve stress on the brake line?

Thanks for any help. I can pull the line off the bike to look for offset, but I just bled the brakes and I really want to minimize the work to maximize my riding time before the big rains set in.

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post #7 of 16 Old 10-21-2011, 03:30 AM Thread Starter
 
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size of banjo bolts and brakeline fittings

This might come across as rather dumb but I've seen enough discrepancies on this forum and in other places that I thought I'd point this out:

some people say they are using 10mm brakeline fittings for the 250, and others who say they use 12mm. My understanding is that the 250 Rebel uses 10mm fittings.

I KNOW that the banjo bolts for the 1985 CMX 250 Rebel are 10x22 (according to three different parts fiches). Does this mean the brakeline fittings I order should also be 10mm? It also looks to me like the fittings are rotated 90 to one another.

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Rennsport has the 1985 Rebel 250 brakeline setup on file...

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All is good. I've made an order for some stainless steel line from Rennsports near Toronto, Ontario...$35 including shipping (same shipping price to the US as well- they're making some money off shipping to Canada).

HONDA CMX250C REBEL CUSTOM STAINLESS STEEL BRAKE LINE | eBay

I assumed they had all the measurements as cyclejunkie had made a previous order with them for his '86 250. I was wrong. I can measure the brake line by meandering a string as Cagie suggested, but how do I describe the banjo fittings to Rennsports?

To me it looks like there is a 15 degree bend at the caliper, and a 30 degree bend at the master cylinder. Is that correct?

Also, is there supposed to be any offset angle to the banjo fittings to relieve stress on the brake line?

Thanks for any help. I can pull the line off the bike to look for offset, but I just bled the brakes and I really want to minimize the work to maximize my riding time before the big rains set in.

It turns out that Rennsport DID have the 1985 measurements on file, so my new brake lines are on the way. I'll post up pictures and a review when they arrive and are installed.

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i ordered my ss line from them and love it. the difference between stock and the ss is night and day. 10,000 miles on the line and no problems at all.

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S/S lines installed...new Goodridge speed bleeder review

I haven't tried them out on the road yet but my brake lines arrived from Rennsport ($21.95USD + $12.00 shipping) and are now installed. The numbers they have were perfect, and it was a smooth install. I installed a Goodridge Speed Bleeder (from Motorcycle Superstore size 8x1.25) at the same time.

The one thing I can say about the lines is that they have quite a bit smaller diameter than the old lines, so they don't get held solidly by the stock rubber bushings. That's an easy enough fix.

Bleeding the new lines was easy with the speed bleeder, and I tied back the lever last night to get out the last of the air introduced when I drained the stock lines. Even without the final bleed, the feel is much better than what I had with the old rubber lines.

The finish on the lines is smooth, and the markings on the clear coat are easy to read, with the DOT approval, and date of manufacture. The copper crush washers they sent with the banjo bolts are smooth, but thinner than stock, and they seemed to conform nicely to the seats on the master cylinder and brake caliper.

The banjo bolts come thread sealed, and are not as nice as the OEM banjos, but they are coloured to match the stainless line. I prefer the finishing on the OEM banjos, as the new ones have sharp edges.

The speed bleeders: time will tell but so far they work as advertised. These also come with thread sealer, and they were pretty much plug and play. The one thing that I didn't like is that the dimensions are off a little bit from the stock bleeder nipples. The nipple is shallower, and the neck is longer. They end up being longer than stock and sticking further out from caliper. The brake line ALMOST interferes with putting a box wrench over them. I could see a little potential for snapping them off as well, but if you hit something hard enough to break the nipple off, you'll have more to worry about than extracting them.

Bleeding the brakes was super simple, with absolutely no mess. Open the bleeder a 1/2 turn, pump and add fluid at the same time until no more air came out. Done in 5 minutes.

The bleeders come two in a package for $14.00 (regular price $15.50) but they do not include rubber caps, so you'll have to reuse the stock one or source a new cap (which usually comes in a caliper rebuild package, or $6.00/2 at MCS)

The only thing I forgot to do was reinstall the brake line boot at the M/C.

Hopefully I can get some pics up soon.

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