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Old 05-16-2010, 04:58 PM   #11
 
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With desalination technology applied across the board, it would probably take a mere month...

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Old 05-18-2010, 09:19 PM   #12
 
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i Know this has nothing to do with your post BUT, i am also in Vegas (well... North Las Vegas) I am looking to buy my first rebel. any good ideas besides the local Honda shops?

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Old 05-18-2010, 09:47 PM   #13
 
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NLV is close enough!

Carter Powersports is the only Honda dealer I would do business with. Avoid the "Ride Now" chain like the plague. We have no used bike shops anymore, the one we did have (used to be on Lake Mead near Sunrise Mt) was crap anyways...they would peel all the good stuff off every bike they got, right down to the tires (replacing them with balding baloney skins).

Failing the dealerships, keep an eye peeled in the Review Journal classifieds and Craigslist.
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i have been scouring cl for about a month or so. i found some great deals.....or what seemed to be great deals. i am a little gun shy after being arrested at the dmv for trying to register a stolen scooter that i bought on cl WITH signed title and DMV bill of sale. HEY the cop said with all the paper work i had HE would of bought it. i was still out the $750.
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Old 05-18-2010, 10:55 PM   #15
 
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That sounds a bit like a cashier check scam that's been going around for a few years now:

Legitimate owner sells bike to scumbag with bogus cashier check, thinking said check is legit (after all, who disputes a bank issued cashier check?). Once legitimate seller discovers said check is bad, he reports the bike as stolen.

In the meantime, scumbag with free bike sells it with legitimately signed over title, claiming he never had time to register the bike (meaning the title is still in the original owner's name and not his name), and asks a reasonable yet low price in order to attract cash buyers.

New victim/buyer snatches up this deal and goes to register what appears to be a legitimate bike, only to find out at the DMV that the bike is in fact stolen...



Words to the wise, it costs nothing to verify a VIN with the DMV or LVMPD (the latter of which can be reached by phone between 9-5 and usually have a live person answering, I've only reached a voice mail during noon-ish lunchtime hours). Look up the Stolen Vehicles department under their LVMPD phone book listing for the direct number.

And being a free venue, Craigslist is full of scammers...excerise caution with anything you may be interested in with that venue. Some people list stuff for sale just to lure cash buyers in to meeting them for a mugging session. LVRJ is a more reliable source of resale stuff, as they charge by the line (which can still be paid for with a stolen credit card number ).
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Just curious, What's your history with Ride Now?

I did get mine from Ride Now. I paid a little more than I wanted but I didn't really want to deal with a private party for reasons stated and I just couldn't find "the right one".

I had some issues with Ride Now, but they resolved them fair enough. I offered them about 400 less then asking, a free $100 gift card, and a 2 year warranty honda for an extra $100.
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Also, my buddy just started a local forum for hooking up for local runs, etc..

http://www.sincitybiker.com/forum.html
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Old 05-19-2010, 04:57 PM   #18
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[QUOTE=Shadow Shack;31028]That sounds a bit like a cashier check scam that's been going around for a few years now:

Legitimate owner sells bike to scumbag with bogus cashier check, thinking said check is legit (after all, who disputes a bank issued cashier check?). Once legitimate seller discovers said check is bad, he reports the bike as stolen.

In the meantime, scumbag with free bike sells it with legitimately signed over title, claiming he never had time to register the bike (meaning the title is still in the original owner's name and not his name), and asks a reasonable yet low price in order to attract cash buyers.

New victim/buyer snatches up this deal and goes to register what appears to be a legitimate bike, only to find out at the DMV that the bike is in fact stolen...



What a sad world we live in.
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Old 05-19-2010, 06:33 PM   #19
 
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Just curious, What's your history with Ride Now?
Where to begin...

Okay, thirteen years ago I bought my first bike from Red Carpet Kawasaki/Honda (if you have been here long enough to remember them) on BOulder Hwy south of D.I.

It was a family owned business, and I got to know quite a few decent folks that worked there, even got an offer as a lot person since I was hanging around the service bay so frequently LOL Anyways they gave 10% discounts to anyone who bought a bike from them as far as their parts department goes, and I ended up earning 15 and ultimately 20% off over time.

Enter Arizona Motorsports Group, circa late 2000/early 2001, who makes the owner an offer that can't be refused (it was something like $6 million for a business that was worth about $4.5mil). Good bye Red Carpet, hello Motorcycle City. What followed was the typical corporate restructure: drop everyone's wages to minimum until they quit/leave/self-terminate etc and they can repalce them with new stooges for the same coin. The lead tech (whom I was friendly with) was about the only one who survived the takeover. Initially anyways. They cut his wage from $30/hour to $10/hour. Keep in mind this guy was certified to work on Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha, and even Harley Davidsons, taking all the update courses from Kawasaki and Honda before the takeover.

He eventually quit in the summer of 2002 (AzMG claims he was fired) and opened his own shop (Green Valley Motorsports, he only works on sponsored racebikes now). The guy who replaced him received minimum wage and had no certifications, as did the rest of their tech staff. In other words, Motorcycle City ended up paying Green Valley Motorsports to honor some warranty work from MC customers whose bikes MC techs could not put back together. Seriously, GVM received a basket case every week, sometimes several per week.

On a whim, I went to see what they would charge me for a 16K mile service on my VLX. Red Carpet's practice would be to pull the Honda service schedules out for quotes, and it was a 3 hour job plus parts. Motorcycle City's practice was to pull the Arizona Motorsports Group service schedule and it said the 16K was a FOUR hour job. Oh yeah, did I mention they jacked the labor rates from $65/hour to $80?
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So we have now established that AzMG pads their jobs, charges a higher rate, and pays their McDonald's graduates with a $5K line of credit for Snap-On tools a minimum wage (which was about $6-something/hour back then).
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But wait...there's more. Let's take a gander at their parts counter droids.

Day One of Motorcycle City's grand opening saw the dismissal of any and all former RC discounts, and they followed through witht hat premise by not offering any to customers who bought bikes from MC. Now common business practice says you don't give a customer something and then take it away. But that's not the big issue here. The big issue here is they kept nothing in stock. I mean nothing, not the common stuff everyone needs like chains, sprockets, spark plugs, oil filters, fork seals...just oil and helmets on their shelves.

I needed a new front sprocket one day and went in to get it (I had the new chain and rear sprocket already from elsewhere). Now they have a few sprockets tagged and bagged on the wall behind the counter, and I can see the empty space where the one I needed used to be, along with the price posted above the hanger. Parts counter droid looks up the part I need (despite my mentioning that what I needed was the empty space behind him...you know, get the part number there) and gives me a price that matches what's on the wall:

"Okay, that'll be $18.99 (the price on the wall) plus tax and shipping."

Me: "Shipping?"

Droid: "Yeah, you have to pay S/H on any special order part."

Now I've worked retail before, the MSRP includes the cost of shipping. You don't charge the customer for it twice unless you receive the merchandise and ship it to his home afterwards. That, and the price on the wall for the exact same part says $18.99, not $18.99 plus shipping.

That turned into a tooth pulling experience that involved the parts counter manager, sales manager, and eventually the store manager before they finally waived the second S/H charge.

"We'll call you when it comes in, should be 3-5 business days."

A week goes by, no messages onmy answering machine, so I call. "Hold on please..." lengthy pause) "Sorry, it's not here yet."

I call back in another week, same thing.

Week three rolls around so I venture in, the entire parts counter staff is bustling about trying to find out where my part is, making phone calls, pecking away at computer terminals, to no avail. I leave with a promise that they'll get it in soon, but without receiving a single apology.

Week four rolls around, and the excercise repeats itself again. And just to shorten the story this excersise repeats itself every week until week eight rolls around. Week eight finds me in the store demanding a refund, which results in the same tooth pulling experience that the S/H waiving turned out to be: parts counter manager, sales manager, and eventually store manager (all three of which are new and different people). Still no apologies, still no part, and a big run around to get my money back.

And just as the store manager authorizes the refund to the cashier, one of the parts counter droids finds the part and presents it to me. It's covered with a light layer of dust and the invoice taped to it reads receiving it three days after I ordered it!

Yes, it sat there for the entire eight weeks and nobody could find it, nobody could confirm that it was delivered and received, week after week, for TWO WHOLE MONTHS. And I never received a simple apology.


And despite all that incompetence, I was foolish enough to give them a second chance later on. This one's really pathetic, just in case you thought it impossible to top that one. I needed a battery for my Rebel a few years ago, and opted to go there since it's close to my house.

Me: "I need a battery for a 96 CMX250 Rebel"

Parts Counter Droid: "Okay, what kind of bike?"

Me: "CMX250 Rebel"

PCD: "Who makes those?"

Me (rolling my eyes): "Honda, y'all sell those here, right?"

PCD: "Oh, yeah...Honda. We carry that stuff. Hang on." Lots of page flipping going on with the various parts catalogs (Accessories Unlimited, every parts shop uses that system) "What year is it?"

Me: "1996"

More page flipping. PCD hits the computer terminal, and goes back to more page flipping. "Sorry, we don't carry stuff for that model."

Me: "Okay, so do I have to order it then?" (painful memories of the sprocket experience resurface).

PCD: "No, I mean we can't get stuff for that bike."

Me (raised voice): "You mean to tell me that those Rebels out there on the showroom floor will get sold to owners who will never be able to get batteries for them later?!"

Parts Counter manager arrives now, and like before, it's a whole new and different guy. "Is there a problem here?"

Me: "Yes, your guy here is telling me that your Honda dealership can not get parts for a Honda Rebel that is manufactured and sold by Honda."

PCM: "Exactly what part do you need?"

Me: "A battery. Don't worry about it, I've done this song and dance with you folks before. I need a battery and if I have to wait two months for you to get one, I'll need a carb cleaning too."

Naturally the two months bit was lost upon everyone there, seeing as they were all new employees.
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(part two)

Which brings us to the third and only other facet of a dealership business: bike sales.

A friend of mine was wanting a "bike like mine" and I found him one at Motorcycle City, a more recent model anyways (IIRC it was a 99, and this happened circa 2005). A sales guy comes out, probably the first friendly person I've ever encountered at the place since it opened it's doors of doom. Note that I said friendly, not knowledgeable...we make small talk and I tell him the tale how a friend is looking for a bike like this, and I ask how much it is so I can bring said friend in to look at it. Sales droid looks through a sheaf of paperwork inhis hand, flipping back and forth between paperwork and VIN plate, and after a few minutes of this he says "This must be a new acquisition, it's not on my paperwork. Hang on I'll be right back."

A couple minutes pass and he returns with a sales manager (again, not the same one I dealt with from my sprocket frackus). Sales manager guy looks it up on his paperwork and says "Ah, here we go...99 VT600 Shadow. We have this listed at $3300." Fair price for it back then. So I tell him it's for a friend and we'll be back tomorrow, and he gives me his business card and writes down the stock number of the bike, price of the bike, and the original sales guy's name on back. "See me or him (original sales guy) when you come back."

Friend and I return the next day, there's the bike. We go in looking for the sales guy I was with yesterday, couldn't find him. Finally I ask another salesperson for the manager (I showed him the card), and he disappears into the office. A few minutes later he returns with someone else by his side, the new sales manager. "Hi, what can we do for you?"

We tell him we're interested in the 99 VLX outside, so the four of us venture outside to see it. My friend likes it and the dynamic duo begin the paperwork-to-VIN plate dance. The sales manager says "Okay we have this listed at $4200." Wow, a $900 price increase on a six year old bike. A new one carries a $4999 MSRP...so I show him the card. "He doesn't work here anymore." So I flip it over to show him the back, and he scoffs now, "Heh, whatever deal you had with these clowns left with them yesterday."

We followed that cue, we also left.


Now everyone I run into who had bought a bike from Motorcycle City or any of the other AzMG dealers here paid too much. Go hit the AZ folder here to find folks that can confirm this Each one had a miscellaneous $600 fee on there above and beyond the usual DOC, tax, title, freight, and prep fees. I could even go on to tell you how in 2003 they managed to pad a brand new 250 Rebel (MSRP: $2999 at the time) to $10,000 OTD.

AzMG changed the names of all their dealerships to Ride Now in recent years (this happened about the time Motorcycle City moved from the Boulder/DI location). Considering how I had yet to encounter anything resembling a positive experience with them, I have yet to step foot in one of them. After all only the name has changed, Arizona Motorsports still runs it.

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