Henryinva

Now thats funny...

I am considered a Yankee. I live in Va, cant get passed the hype that "Yer a Yankee, what the hell you know"

Well, 12 years in the south, 30 years in the north. Lemme give ya a clue as to how its seen by the majority of the north...

They dont care....its trivia....


Now ya got a handfull of "Yankee's" that stir up trouble. Then ya got a bunch of "Good Old Boys" that stir up trouble.

Most people just want everyone to get along. Some people live to stir the proverbial pot of chit.

If your looking to get a tat of a confederate flag as a memorial to the stance the confederate states stood for, and have lineage to back it, good for you if thats your real intention. You get a tat to join the club of "hey, watch this" and/or the rascist side of view, well sport, thats how people are going to judge you..North, or the South. An idiot is still an idiot regardless of where they live.

I think ya best mind yer dad..

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Nathan

I understand what yall are saying. I meen I know that tats make it harder to get jobs and all. THis reminds me of somethign my friend did, see at my school last year, a bunch of mexicans went around wering mexico flags as capes. So this year my friend decided to wear the Rebel Flag as cape. He had it on for 30 min. The class that he put it on in, i helped him, and the techer was an older women that was a conservit. Me and my friend Nathan loved to mess with this teacher. I think she hated us... But one pricible stoped him about it and asked about it. THen let him go. Then your pricible made him take it off. It was funny....


But still wat is the diffrence in flying the usa flag and the Rebel, and at one time the Rebel flag was acutly my states flag... If i am correct.



I blame all of this on the dam yankes

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twitch

Sorry, Nathan, I have to agree with your Dad and the other guys here. It doesn't matter that the Confederate flag doesn't inherently stand for racism. What matters is that many, many people perceive it as a racist symbol now--both racists and those who are offended by racism.

If you are not a racist, you can't display the Rebel flag and expect people not to think that you are a racist. Certainly a bad idea to mark your body with it. Tats in general definitely are becoming more accepted, but some tats will brand you with their associated connotation, right or wrong. I have never seen a woman with a tramp stamp that I didn't assume was a slut.

Also, regarding the difference between flying the Rebel flag vs. Old Glory: yes, the Stars and Bars used to be your flag, but Old Glory is your flag now. You are part of the U.S.A., like it or not. I don't mean to get too controversial here, but, as a patriot (and a Yankee) I would never consider displaying the Rebel flag because it seems kind of treasonous to me. No different than displaying or saluting the Russian flag or that of any other country that has opposed the U.S. in war.

I know some might take offense to that last paragraph. Sorry, no offense intended. Just how I feel. Especially on this day.

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JunkyardDog

This may offend everybody, but I have no flag. I display the Confederate flag inside my house as a symbol of my Southern heritage, and to honor all those who lost their lives in the Civil War, my ancestors included. I still recognize the Confederate flag for what it was, and has always been to me. Slavery was, is, and always will be wrong. Yet all of our country's "founding fathers" including George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were slave owners, long before the Civil War.


I have nothing but respect and admiration for our troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a few other places around the world, and they have my profound support and appreciation.


But the government that sent them there gets absolutely nothing, nor do they deserve anything. They won't even take care of these troops when they come home. They owe me hundreds of thousands of dollars, and every day they take away more of my constitutional rights. They steal my money, then turn around and use it against me.

They are not the only government to do so, pretty much all governments do. Ours just seems to be the only one that lies about it. Free country my ass. Wake up people. Open your eyes and look around you. You'll probably find a government camera looking back. And you paid for it. Jerry.


And yes, I am an active member of the Tea Party, but I don't much care for Sarah Palin. Her main agenda seems to be making money for herself.

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Nathan

well i guess i gotta amit yall yankes are good at convinsing. I guess I wont get a reble flag tat for now, mabey later in life.

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twitch

Can't disagree with you there, Jerry. I love my country and the principles upon which it was founded, but I do not care for her leadership in its present form, who have discarded many of those same principles. I will vote enthusiastically for anyone who convinces me that they have a legitimate desire to return to our founding principles and a realistic chance to succeed in moving us in that direction.

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Dutch

I won't get into the debate on flags, because I'm not an American. But.... Nathan, if I were you I'd grow up some more (no offence intended) before considering a tattoo, or any other thing that might influence your life that way. I know it's hard to imagine when you're young, but take it from me: your outlook on life will change once you get older. You might not like the things you love now, in a few years.

Furthermore, you come across as somebody who just wants a tattoo, for the sake of having one. Not too smart, but hey, it's your life. One thing I do know is that a lot of people regret their flash-book-picked-tattoo. On the other hand, most of the people I know with more than 1 tattoo have got one (or more) tattoos they regret, but will keep just for old times' sake. My point: none.

The warm weather might be getting to me, as I feel like an old man when reading back the above.

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JunkyardDog

I agree. The tattoos I have I got after age 25, and they have significant meaning to me, there is nothing frivolous about them. The flag in question here I proudly and respectfully refer to as a "Confederate" flag, the official flag of the Confederate States of America. I will refrain from any further discussion of the Confederate flag, as it seems to be a very controversial issue (though I have no idea why, it is a part of U.S. history), as I have already gotten yelled at just for discussing motorcycles. But just remember, a tattoo is permanent, and will be there for the rest of your life, unless you want a big ugly scar from having it removed. Jerry.

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And Nathan could of course always choose to have his tattoo put in a place where not everybody will see it. That's where I started: an ugly Kanji tattoo dating back to an old relationship, which was later on covered in a Kiri Tuhi (Maori style, but without the deep meaning, so no cheap copy of an existing tattoo, nor with any form of disrespect to their culture). It covers a good piece of my lower back, my total left buttock and a large piece of my left upper leg. So all in all: yes it is big, but it's covered when I wear a short and a pair of trousers or not too short shorts. More recently I added my son's first two names just above it, so hiding it in my swimming trunks is impossible.

Ok, slightly off topic, but I hope that the information shared will help Nathan in deciding what to do. Just remember that getting a tattoo will cost you money and probably pain, but having it removed will cost more money and definatley more pain (from what I've heard).

Now back to you guys

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Buickguy

Wow!

When I saw this thread's title I was thinking the "Stars and Bars" on the battery box of a Classic Rebel. That actually sounds kind of cool and I'd seriously consider doing that.
As to the Confederate battle flag itself, I have always though of the southern pride in their defense of "state's rights" From my understanding of the historical, while the Union rallied to an anti-slavery theme, the Confederacy firmly believed that the federal government was exceeding its constitutional authority and went to war over the right of individual states self determination. Before the "Civil War" if you are from the north or "The War between the States" as it is known in the south, people refered to this country in a plural. "The United States are" Now it is referenced in the singular. "The United States is"
The Confederacy wasn't evil. The Union wasn't evil. Just a very diametrically opposed view of the direction the nation should take. The Founding Fathers knew it would evntually come to be an issue but I don't think they envisioned a bloody four year war over it.
That's my take on that. My perspective is one of an American born in Detroit but a second generation American. My grandparents emigrated to this country in the early 1900s so I don't have "a horse in the race" for either side.

Now on the tattoo, I really agree with your father! Not because of the subject of your tattoo but because it is far too permanent a thing to be done on a whim or simply because it seems fashionable now.
With no disrespect to anyone who has tattoo but I don't have any and never will if I can help it.
You must understand that the first tattoo I ever saw was a number on the left forearm of a fellow my father knew. I asked the man why he got it. He told me. He told me the whole truth, including what became of his family and how those tattoos were used. I heard about the more gruesome post mortem uses of those tattoos as well.
Needless to say that it made quite an impression!
I determined early on that NO ONE was going to make a lampshade of me!

The opinions expressed are mine. You are free to form your own.

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