Clutch problems?

[Lynx_Strife]

Well here is my drama as of late. I had to put the bike down 4 weeks ago cause of some one in the right lane so badly wanted to be in the left hand turning lane and went though me. It was low speed (not even 4mph) and now the bike is loosing power when i start off a light. It seems no matter how much throttle i give it it dont like to want to get moving. And when i am shifting going up a small incline like a little bridge the gear sound like they are slipping. And to top the post off with a little cherry, here lately when i shift the clutch stays loose. Not stiff like when i got the bike. Well hope some one can point me in the right direction on this drama with my rebel. And its a 2006 250cc And its the best damn bike ever made!

[GearJammer]

Sorry to hear about the cager forcing you to dump the bike. Gotta watch them very closely all the time! :evil:

It sounds like the clutch might have gotten knocked out of adjustment due to the fall. If it fell on the right-hand side, you might check out the clutch assembly where it enters the case & see if anything is bent or otherwise damaged. Same/same if it fell on the left-side, you can inspect the clutch cable adjust assembly on the handlebars to see if there's any obvious damage there as well.

[Lynx_Strife]

it fell on the left side, and how much would/should it cost to fix that problem. ball park or some thing. and by the way i looked at the your screen name. And i was like yup he can fix the problem.

[GearJammer]

Believe me, Lynx Strife, I'm still learning this stuff as I go along.

At the low speed when the drop happened, I'd guess that the internals would be tight enough to where any damage should be contained to outside assemblies.

Wouldn't think the fix would cost too much, but the Honda dealership would probably charge more than an indie shop.

Do you have a manual for it yet ? If so, you might very well be able to fix this yourself & only have to pay for parts (if any parts even need replacement, there's a chance that something simply got knocked out of wack). Do you see any visible damage in the clutch lever area.....lever, cables, adjusting parts, etc. ? If you have the manual, you could compare photos & specs to what you've got there & see if you can possibly get things straightened out without too much trouble.

Another thing to check out would be the shifter area to insure that there's no damage there. (Less likely the problem, but worth a look-see)

[Lynx_Strife]

I am not going to be able to get a better look at what is going on since i was at work when i posted this. lol But i dont have much shop exp. wise for working on things mechenical. But when i give it gas like tonight i can hear the motor go but no power to the back wheel. there is a LONG delay in power from the motor to goto the wheel. Bus's can get off the line faster then me right now. and thats sad, but i dont know of any local shops i will have to do some digging around for one. Just the Car Shop horrors of over charging and sabatoge riddle my mind! I hope since motorcycles are more personal, the people that fix that keep that in mind.

[GearJammer]

I agree with you in that it sounds like a slipping clutch, which if it is, isn't too difficult to adjust, provided no parts need replacing & even then, you might be surprised at how easy it is.

Even with little or no mechanical experience, a manual can really help you to learn & do a LOT, which can save you tons of bucks & offer the reward of knowing that you've done it yourself.

Once you've got better light, please check out those 2 areas for any obvious damage (clutch lever/shifter) If you see no damaged parts, you should be able to score a Clymer's locally & try to make it right again. Will PM you with some other info.......

[Lynx_Strife]

will do gearjammer and post pics

[GearJammer]

Sounds good, Brother & please check your Private Messages :wink:

[GearJammer]

Lynx Strife.........With this being an '06, I'm not sure if you've had to change the oil yet. If not, have you ever checked the oil level in there ? Just wondering if they put in enough oil during the dealer prep.......

[Lynx_Strife]

I got the oil change and the 500m valve thingy done. Its my only way around town. I put on 4200miles since i got it in dec. lol

[jsonder]

I got the oil change and the 500m valve thingy done. Its my only way around town. I put on 4200miles since i got it in dec. lol

Does this mean that it has been 3700 miles since the oil change, or am I misunderstanding what you have said?

[GearJammer]

Not sure if this relates to your clutch problem or not, but a low oil level or spent oil viscosity (oil too old) would only provide a "thinned out" effect. On a Triumph, this can cause clutch slippage. Wouldn't hurt to at least check the oil level, but again, I'm not sure if this is the source of your problem or not. As "jsonder" pointed out, the 250's seem to prefer more frequent oil changes in general to help ease of shifting, etc. On the '85, I found that the Reb seemed to prefer an oil change at around 600-700 miles. YMMV........

[Lynx_Strife]

i got a oil change like 4 days ago.

[Lynx_Strife]

well the tranny or cluth died today on the way to work. So i had the people at the dealership come pick it up. dont know what i am going to get back. He said to call him back later, and i heard some thing about a clutch kit or some thing. (i hate working in the mall) But i am trying to figure out how much the part is gonna cost, or even a parts list for the transmission. So if anyone can point me to a website or some thing i would be much appricated.

[jsonder]

i got a oil change like 4 days ago.

Was that the 2nd oil change?

[Lynx_Strife]

yup 2nd oil change.

[GearJammer]

Dang....this isn't sounding good at all.

In your 1st post, you mentioned that the accident happened about 4 weeks ago. The oil change was about 4 days ago.

Question: Did your troubles start before or after the oil change ? (And the oil change was done at the dealership where you bought the bike ?)

If the problems started BEFORE the oil change, then it "might" be due to the accident. If the problems started AFTER the oil change, then I'd be looking at the dealership........

Please let us know the time-frame so's I don't jump the gun with a rant against dealerships, O.K. ?

[Lynx_Strife]

So the bike is at the dealership now its gonna cost me around 240.00 for parts and labor. :( wont get her back till wed-thur cause they dont carry the parts on hand. And the problem started after the accident but was not bad at all. After the oil change it got worse, but what gets me is that i was told honda does not cover the clutch. I still have the 1 year warrenty and the 5 year extended warrenty on the bike. But I am thinking since it may have been damaged in a accident it wont really matter.

[GearJammer]

Lynx Strife.........I read your reply earlier, but had to walk away from the computer & give this some thought, LOL!

Have decided against any "rant" (at least for now :wink: ) You've got enough on your mind & I'm truly sorry to hear about the radical change of events.

I haven't bought a brand new vehicle since 1985 & am not sure what today's warranty's actually cover or don't cover. All I know for sure is that warranty's used to mean a lot more back in '85.

We've rapped privately & I know the dealership you're dealing with. As mentioned, I wasn't overly thrilled with some of their parts pricing, but as far as "ethics", reliability or dependability goes.......if there's any negative experiences involving them, I haven't heard them (speaking on a personal level, others may or may not know otherwise)

Keep the Faith, Brother! Get that Rebel back on the road & put this unpleasant time behind you.

Ride Safe......

[Lynx_Strife]

yah gotta wait till thursday since they dont got parts on hand but i will keep you all posted! thanks all you made me alot wiser

[jsonder]

yah gotta wait till thursday since they dont got parts on hand but i will keep you all posted! thanks all you made me alot wiser

No parts sounds suspiciously like my experience with the southern stealership.

[GearJammer]

It's interesting how we're discreetly not mentioning stealership names, ROTFLMAO!

"jsonder", if you're thinking of the same one we're thinking of (ROTFLMAO!) I never had any actual work done there, but after they charged me $30 for a carb rebuild kit that consisted of 3 O-rings & a float bowl gasket, I haven't been back since. And they had to order those as well :wink:

But, on the plus side, as far as I know, they aren't part of the Arizona Motorsports Group, now re-named Ride Now Power Sports or whatever. (They had to change their name due to the notoriously bad rep they have).

[jsonder]

I suppose that I could post a picture of a tee shirt that says:

Arizona Honda
Tier 5 PowerHouse Dealer

My wife bought her 06 Reb there; I bought a used rebel there instead of a used MSF Nighthawk elsewhere, because the used Rebel was considerably cheaper, and she had dragged me to "her dealer".

When I hit that dealer for parts for a carb rebuild they had none of them, not even the 14mm screws used in several Honda carbs.

I got the carb parts for the next clean/redo along with shocks from discounthondaparts.com (I don't do Active X or Internet Explorer so another parts house or two were not available to me).

Reluctantly, she let me to her 600 mile check work (had already done one oil change) when I explained how easy it had been to do the valve adjustment on my rebel, and how much the stealerships charge for it (and probably don't have the engine stone cold for the valve adjustment).

[Lynx_Strife]

So I am just now noticeing that alot of people that post in here are in az near tucson. Well sorta near tucson and well that strikes me as funny. Every where i got i see a alot of bigger bikes roaring along the roads and every now and then i see a rebel. So now I am thinking we should have a get together or a club or some thing :D. And i really need to take some class's on working on motorcycles so i can maintain my own. And by far you all have been the most helpfull bunch I have ever meet on any fourm. But too me people that ride, kinda of have a silent brotherhood. A respect for each other. Well thanks every one and i will keep you posted!

[GearJammer]

"jsonder" wrote: "I suppose that I could post a picture of a tee shirt that says:

Arizona Honda
Tier 5 PowerHouse Dealer"..........ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Absolutely agree with you about the no-stock aspect. I "try" to understand that with the economy being what it is, maybe the dealerships (or at least some of 'em) only order parts on an "as needed" basis, but there's no getting around it. There's simply some items that should be kept in stock for immediate purchase. Instead of filling up their boutique with accessory items, they might be better off stocking a real PARTS inventory to keep the bikes on the road as soon as possible & not making the owner wait a week for items that they know are going to be needed fairly regularly.

Lynx Strife........I see a pretty fair number of Rebels on the road & always wonder if they're either posting on the boards or reading the boards, etc........I'd be into hooking up on the local level, but can't even consider it until sometime next month due to a tight schedule right now. A motorcycle mechanics course would be good if you can find one. But the basics can be easily learned by riding/hanging with others & your skills would continue to grow from there.

In the meantime, there's a pretty good website that offers a lot of good instructional info: http://dansmc.com

(Edit: I don't necessarily share his "politics", but I DO Support Our TROOPS!)

[jsonder]

Actually, the appeal of the 233 cc engine is that the design is SO old and straightforward that most anyone can do the basics.

DJ is getting the FAQs rebuilt over at rebel250. I can't put the link in as the middle is deleted, but search on it if you aren't already familiar with the other forum.

Check there for some step by step info.

Also, the shop manual is available from Helm Inc. They reprint the Honda shop manual.

The rebel is a really easy bike to wrench on.

cTc What's with killing crosslinks to the 250 rebel forum?